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The danger is one day there might be no options that don't require remote attestation on Windows and Chrome. Your bank doesn't allow Linux? Choose another bank

The danger is one day there might be no options that don't require remote attestation on Windows and Chrome. Your bank doesn't allow Linux? Choose another bank! ... but what happens once every bank has those requirements?

ryukafalz 4y ago
Right, “just don’t use that service” rapidly becomes unreasonable when the service is your bank, the DMV, your university’s web portal, etc.
googlryas 4y ago
You can just bank in some other manner, like in person, or over the phone. You don't have a right to online banking on your mobile device. It's a convenience.
- dento 4y ago
  Sure, and you can grow all food yourself as well, grocery stores are a convenience as well.
  - googlryas 4y ago
    They are far less of a convenience and far more of a necessity than online banking is.
matheusmoreira 4y ago
I agree with you. In my country, almost every bank mandates that users install "online security modules" on their own computers before they'll allow them to log into their account via browser. These software packages were causing massive instability and low performance on the computers of everyone I know. I reverse engineered one of these things and found kernel mode software intercepting every single network connection and doing god knows what with that information. "Just choose a company that doesn't abuse you" is absolutely invalid since abusing us gives them competitive advantage and they will compete to see who can get away with abusing us the most. Abuse should simply be illegal and the companies doing it shouldn't even be afforded the right to exist to begin with. People should not have to suffer abuse in order to learn their lesson and go elsewhere, abuse should simply not happen to begin with and any corporation violating this assumption needs to get fined out of existence.

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The danger is one day there might be no options that don't require remote attestation on Windows and Chrome. Your bank doesn't allow Linux? Choose another bank

by game-of-throws 4y ago

ryukafalz 4y ago
Right, “just don’t use that service” rapidly becomes unreasonable when the service is your bank, the DMV, your university’s web portal, etc.
googlryas 4y ago
You can just bank in some other manner, like in person, or over the phone. You don't have a right to online banking on your mobile device. It's a convenience.
- dento 4y ago
  Sure, and you can grow all food yourself as well, grocery stores are a convenience as well.
  - googlryas 4y ago
    They are far less of a convenience and far more of a necessity than online banking is.
matheusmoreira 4y ago
I agree with you. In my country, almost every bank mandates that users install "online security modules" on their own computers before they'll allow them to log into their account via browser. These software packages were causing massive instability and low performance on the computers of everyone I know. I reverse engineered one of these things and found kernel mode software intercepting every single network connection and doing god knows what with that information. "Just choose a company that doesn't abuse you" is absolutely invalid since abusing us gives them competitive advantage and they will compete to see who can get away with abusing us the most. Abuse should simply be illegal and the companies doing it shouldn't even be afforded the right to exist to begin with. People should not have to suffer abuse in order to learn their lesson and go elsewhere, abuse should simply not happen to begin with and any corporation violating this assumption needs to get fined out of existence.