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> I wish articles such as this one were more common: > https://alexcabal.com/posts/standard-ebooks-and-classic-web-tech https://alexcabal.com/posts/standard-eb

> I wish articles such as this one were more common: > https://alexcabal.com/posts/standard-ebooks-and-classic-web-tech https://alexcabal.com/posts/standard-ebooks-and-classic-web-... > This is the web I want and love. Worth noting that according to their article, Standard EBooks does not use javascript on their page. This might work for them, and it might work for you, but in many cases users want SPAs and interactivity (Google Maps, Google Docs, etc)

tambourine_man 4y ago
SPAs and interactivity are different and independent things.
dham 4y ago
> users want I hear that so much, except they don't. Most sites aren't Figma. What we're seeing is the proliferation of apps that have been traditionally just desktop apps, but being made for the web. We have to distinguish the web as an app delivery tool (Google Docs, Figma) vs what most developers are writing. CRUD apps. And for those you can ask the server for state often.
hsn915 4y ago
Users don't want SPAs. Users want software that works reliably. Most SPAs are anything but reliable. If you talk to most non programmers, they hate computers and software and think pretty much all software sucks. Sure, maps and docs are not possible without client side programming, but most websites are actually not maps nor docs.
- Winsaucerer 4y ago
  > Most SPAs are anything but reliable. If you talk to most non programmers, they hate computers and software and think pretty much all software sucks. Expanding on this, I had a Dell XPS 9550 running Linux until the M1 Macbook came out. The XPS was a pretty powerful machine when I first bought it, but as always happens, hardware requirements for software increased while my hardware stayed static. And the software whose requirements increased: websites, and specifically SPA's. It was absolutely noticeable visiting many (but not all) SPA's, with Jira being the worst offender, just how slow those websites are. It doesn't have to be much slower to just grind at you, and for you to want to finish and leave that site as quickly as possible. Now I have a much faster desktop with a 5950x processor, and a Macbook Air M1 for when I'm moving around. I don't notice the website slowness anymore (except on reddit perhaps), and it isn't really an issue for me anymore. But I'm a software developer among other things, and I spend a lot of time on computers, so I get good hardware. We who are developers are likely an exception to the general population who will be experiencing the web as I did on my XPS, or perhaps even worse.

tambourine_man 4y ago

SPAs and interactivity are different and independent things.

dham 4y ago

> users want I hear that so much, except they don't. Most sites aren't Figma. What we're seeing is the proliferation of apps that have been traditionally just desktop apps, but being made for the web. We have to distinguish the web as an app delivery tool (Google Docs, Figma) vs what most developers are writing. CRUD apps. And for those you can ask the server for state often.

hsn915 4y ago

Users don't want SPAs. Users want software that works reliably. Most SPAs are anything but reliable. If you talk to most non programmers, they hate computers and software and think pretty much all software sucks. Sure, maps and docs are not possible without client side programming, but most websites are actually not maps nor docs.

Winsaucerer 4y ago
> Most SPAs are anything but reliable. If you talk to most non programmers, they hate computers and software and think pretty much all software sucks. Expanding on this, I had a Dell XPS 9550 running Linux until the M1 Macbook came out. The XPS was a pretty powerful machine when I first bought it, but as always happens, hardware requirements for software increased while my hardware stayed static. And the software whose requirements increased: websites, and specifically SPA's. It was absolutely noticeable visiting many (but not all) SPA's, with Jira being the worst offender, just how slow those websites are. It doesn't have to be much slower to just grind at you, and for you to want to finish and leave that site as quickly as possible. Now I have a much faster desktop with a 5950x processor, and a Macbook Air M1 for when I'm moving around. I don't notice the website slowness anymore (except on reddit perhaps), and it isn't really an issue for me anymore. But I'm a software developer among other things, and I spend a lot of time on computers, so I get good hardware. We who are developers are likely an exception to the general population who will be experiencing the web as I did on my XPS, or perhaps even worse.