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I don't really see anything in what I read as a wonderful genocide denial piece of the likes you see on catholic news sites right now, about how the decision to

I don't really see anything in what I read as a wonderful genocide denial piece of the likes you see on catholic news sites right now, about how the decision to exhume or not exhume is being taken with a lot of care and the decisions lie with the tribes on how to do this. It sounds like at the Kamloops site, they're working on an archaeological dig. [1] These things take time for reasons of doing what may involve the respectful and dignified exhumation of potential corpses. If it's just some anomaly then the people writing shit like this have a LOT of words to eat. It's pretty much their word over elderly indigenous survivors who have pretty much pointed to where they remembered dead kids going in where to do some initial evidence gathering. In 1948, the United Nations Genocide Convention defined genocide as any of five "acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, as such." These five acts were: killing members of the group, causing them serious bodily or mental harm, imposing living conditions intended to destroy the group, preventing births, and forcibly transferring children out of the group. Victims are targeted because of their real or perceived membership of a group, not randomly. This happened in Canada regardless of whether or not there's graves in these sites, but "oh yeah where's the dead kids bodies already" is in my opinion kind of a horrible point of view given light of the necessarily slow paced process that's happening to uncover the truth. [1] https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/tk-eml%C3%BAps-kamloops-indian-residential-school-215-exhumations-1.6460796 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/tk-eml%C3%BA...

jollybean 4y ago
People die at schools esp. boarding schools of all kinds, all the time, of normal causes. There aren't really allegations that somehow these schools 'killed people' in the 1960's (i.e. in living memory as you suggest) - or even in the past (when people died at much higher rates than normal population of illness etc.) and your choice of words very clearly misrepresents the situation, which is actually the issue presented in the article: how people lie about serious and inflammatory issues. There were major revelations about a century ago that Aboriginal children were dying at higher rates than otherwise, mostly due to tuberculosis, which spread rapidly at the shcools over a century ago - it was a 'huge controversy' even in 1922 - when the government commissioned an investigation into the situation. [1] Also, note (same reference) that deaths from aboriginal kids since WW2/1945 is basically the same as death of kids from the general population overall, which abnegates some idea of even accidental physical genocidal acts due to systematic oppression. These facts, which adds nuance to the situation, create a more realistic dynamic to the historical situation than your choice of words (similar to those in the press) would imply. Hence - misrepresentation and hyperbole. Residential School history matters, factually. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Indian_residential_school_system https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Indian_residential_sc...
- jamal-kumar 4y ago
  My family went through this, you have no position to speak on from experience outside of downplaying genocide. It's stupid enough that I have to even explain this that I left Canada. I don't want anything to do with people who do this. Good luck with the economy eh?

jollybean 4y ago

People die at schools esp. boarding schools of all kinds, all the time, of normal causes. There aren't really allegations that somehow these schools 'killed people' in the 1960's (i.e. in living memory as you suggest) - or even in the past (when people died at much higher rates than normal population of illness etc.) and your choice of words very clearly misrepresents the situation, which is actually the issue presented in the article: how people lie about serious and inflammatory issues. There were major revelations about a century ago that Aboriginal children were dying at higher rates than otherwise, mostly due to tuberculosis, which spread rapidly at the shcools over a century ago - it was a 'huge controversy' even in 1922 - when the government commissioned an investigation into the situation. [1] Also, note (same reference) that deaths from aboriginal kids since WW2/1945 is basically the same as death of kids from the general population overall, which abnegates some idea of even accidental physical genocidal acts due to systematic oppression. These facts, which adds nuance to the situation, create a more realistic dynamic to the historical situation than your choice of words (similar to those in the press) would imply. Hence - misrepresentation and hyperbole. Residential School history matters, factually. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Indian_residential_school_system https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Indian_residential_sc...

jamal-kumar 4y ago
My family went through this, you have no position to speak on from experience outside of downplaying genocide. It's stupid enough that I have to even explain this that I left Canada. I don't want anything to do with people who do this. Good luck with the economy eh?