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same as with covid, which is dangerous but not anymore so than many other preventable causes of death that are completely ignored instead of hyped as the end-of

same as with covid, which is dangerous but not anymore so than many other preventable causes of death that are completely ignored instead of hyped as the end-of-the-world. we are truly in an age of perpetual unfounded social panic. thanks twitter. as with most other problems, more educated people, especially regarding science, math and specifically statistics could help prevent these foolishnesses.

NotYourLawyer 4y ago
> covid, which is dangerous but not anymore so than many other preventable causes of death … if you’re vaccinated.
- dinkblam 4y ago
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anon291 4y ago
I used to believe that more education would help, but today it seems that the most educated are most likely to spread these dangerous kinds of misinformation, whereas uneducated people are most likely to question it. The educated seem to be more dangerous if for no other reason than they control the media.
- dinkblam 4y ago
  > the most educated are most likely to spread these dangerous kinds good observation and i completely see your point, but are those people really educated in a scientific sense (and know their confidence intervals) or did they just finish their liberal arts degree and learn some french words?
- Jonovono 4y ago
  Something I have noticed too, and it seems to be a common trend many are noticing. What do you think causes it? Anyone know any studied terms to explain this? My thinking was that "smart" people are busier and outsource their thinking in other aspects to media they can trust. If that media lies to them, they are smart, so they don't want to admit they were wrong. They are too smart to be fooled! But I don't know if that explanation holds up.
  - jl6 4y ago
    D&D explained it well: intelligence is a separate stat to wisdom.
  - anon291 4y ago
    Honestly, I have no idea. Being somewhat educated and by all other metrics part of the 'elite' I am flummoxed by people demographically like myself [1]. [1] By other metrics I mean, I live in a West Coast coastal city, in a rich neighborhood, work in tech, educated, etc. By all measurements I should be like others, but I'm not.
    - puffoflogic 4y ago
      > but I'm not. What if I told you that every single one of them tells themselves the exact same thing? You wouldn't believe me of course. But then, neither would they believe you. You probably believe as much nonsense as they do, but you've only noticed what is actually a very small non-overlapping slice of the very large overlapping collection of nonsense beliefs you share with them.
Jonovono 4y ago
The amount of lies during COVID is worthy of an entire book. This decently sums it up: https://www.piratewires.com/p/neurotic?s=r https://www.piratewires.com/p/neurotic?s=r
- jjoonathan 4y ago
jjoonathan 4y ago
> dangerous but not anymore so We can all tell you weren't actually listening to the experts you so detest because that wasn't their stated rationale. The rationale was "flatten the curve" -- some hospitals were two doubling periods away from having parking lots full of people slowly dying for want of ventilators. That's what the lockdowns were about. Making sure we never overwhelmed the medical infrastructure. Subsequent R-control measures were about making sure it stayed that way. As better options for keeping the hospitals safely under-capacity appeared -- first vaccines, and then simply the fact that subsequent variants sent a smaller fraction of the infected to ventilators -- the measures were relaxed. As was appropriate. What's amazing are the number people who continue to stick to Trump's initial February 2020 "ignore it and it will go away like magic" alternate reality, even though the man himself abandoned it in March 2020.
- adamrezich 4y ago
  I ignored it and it went away. I worked as a cashier at Walmart during most of the pandemic lockdown times and came down with multiple bacterial illnesses as a direct result of having a piece of cloth over my face for eight hours a day, yet somehow never caught covid, despite remaining unvaccinated while working at a Walmart in a tourist town during tourist season. my local civic center set up an emergency clinic that remained 100% unused for the entire time it was active. the Sturgis Rally being nearby was supposed to make us (Rapid City, SD) a superspreader disease nexus, and that never happened either—more people died from traffic accidents (which were down from previous years!) than covid. and now it's gone! look at that. at some point, even if only years after the fact, one must reconcile the reality of the situation with the narrative they were sold on, and ask themselves if the two line up at all. how many Republican-voting Americans today still believe the Iraq invasion was ever really truly about weapons of mass destruction, or that the entire incursion was righteous in any way? how many Republican-voting Americans have any love left for the 43rd President at all, despite their fervor at the time?
  - skyyler 4y ago
    >multiple bacterial illnesses as a direct result of having a piece of cloth over my face for eight hours a day Not that I don't believe you, but why don't surgeons get bacterial illnesses from mask use? Did you regularly wash your mask? >yet somehow never caught covid I wonder if that has something to do with the mask you wore? >the Sturgis Rally being nearby was supposed to make us (Rapid City, SD) a superspreader disease nexus Are we in the same reality? The spike in cases made national news. https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcevoy/2021/09/02/covid-surges-nearly-700-in-south-dakota-after-sturgis-motorcycle-rally-an-even-higher-rate-than-last-year/?sh=7186999274c6 https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcevoy/2021/09/02/covid-s...
prvc 4y ago
>as with most other problems, more educated people, especially regarding science, math and specifically statistics could help prevent these foolishnesses. "Could" is doing a lot of work there. I think, empirically, you will find the opposite relationship.

NotYourLawyer 4y ago

> covid, which is dangerous but not anymore so than many other preventable causes of death … if you’re vaccinated.

dinkblam 4y ago
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anon291 4y ago

I used to believe that more education would help, but today it seems that the most educated are most likely to spread these dangerous kinds of misinformation, whereas uneducated people are most likely to question it. The educated seem to be more dangerous if for no other reason than they control the media.

dinkblam 4y ago
> the most educated are most likely to spread these dangerous kinds good observation and i completely see your point, but are those people really educated in a scientific sense (and know their confidence intervals) or did they just finish their liberal arts degree and learn some french words?
Jonovono 4y ago
Something I have noticed too, and it seems to be a common trend many are noticing. What do you think causes it? Anyone know any studied terms to explain this? My thinking was that "smart" people are busier and outsource their thinking in other aspects to media they can trust. If that media lies to them, they are smart, so they don't want to admit they were wrong. They are too smart to be fooled! But I don't know if that explanation holds up.
- jl6 4y ago
  D&D explained it well: intelligence is a separate stat to wisdom.
- anon291 4y ago
  Honestly, I have no idea. Being somewhat educated and by all other metrics part of the 'elite' I am flummoxed by people demographically like myself [1]. [1] By other metrics I mean, I live in a West Coast coastal city, in a rich neighborhood, work in tech, educated, etc. By all measurements I should be like others, but I'm not.
  - puffoflogic 4y ago
    > but I'm not. What if I told you that every single one of them tells themselves the exact same thing? You wouldn't believe me of course. But then, neither would they believe you. You probably believe as much nonsense as they do, but you've only noticed what is actually a very small non-overlapping slice of the very large overlapping collection of nonsense beliefs you share with them.

Jonovono 4y ago

The amount of lies during COVID is worthy of an entire book. This decently sums it up: https://www.piratewires.com/p/neurotic?s=r https://www.piratewires.com/p/neurotic?s=r

jjoonathan 4y ago

jjoonathan 4y ago

> dangerous but not anymore so We can all tell you weren't actually listening to the experts you so detest because that wasn't their stated rationale. The rationale was "flatten the curve" -- some hospitals were two doubling periods away from having parking lots full of people slowly dying for want of ventilators. That's what the lockdowns were about. Making sure we never overwhelmed the medical infrastructure. Subsequent R-control measures were about making sure it stayed that way. As better options for keeping the hospitals safely under-capacity appeared -- first vaccines, and then simply the fact that subsequent variants sent a smaller fraction of the infected to ventilators -- the measures were relaxed. As was appropriate. What's amazing are the number people who continue to stick to Trump's initial February 2020 "ignore it and it will go away like magic" alternate reality, even though the man himself abandoned it in March 2020.

adamrezich 4y ago
I ignored it and it went away. I worked as a cashier at Walmart during most of the pandemic lockdown times and came down with multiple bacterial illnesses as a direct result of having a piece of cloth over my face for eight hours a day, yet somehow never caught covid, despite remaining unvaccinated while working at a Walmart in a tourist town during tourist season. my local civic center set up an emergency clinic that remained 100% unused for the entire time it was active. the Sturgis Rally being nearby was supposed to make us (Rapid City, SD) a superspreader disease nexus, and that never happened either—more people died from traffic accidents (which were down from previous years!) than covid. and now it's gone! look at that. at some point, even if only years after the fact, one must reconcile the reality of the situation with the narrative they were sold on, and ask themselves if the two line up at all. how many Republican-voting Americans today still believe the Iraq invasion was ever really truly about weapons of mass destruction, or that the entire incursion was righteous in any way? how many Republican-voting Americans have any love left for the 43rd President at all, despite their fervor at the time?
- skyyler 4y ago
  >multiple bacterial illnesses as a direct result of having a piece of cloth over my face for eight hours a day Not that I don't believe you, but why don't surgeons get bacterial illnesses from mask use? Did you regularly wash your mask? >yet somehow never caught covid I wonder if that has something to do with the mask you wore? >the Sturgis Rally being nearby was supposed to make us (Rapid City, SD) a superspreader disease nexus Are we in the same reality? The spike in cases made national news. https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcevoy/2021/09/02/covid-surges-nearly-700-in-south-dakota-after-sturgis-motorcycle-rally-an-even-higher-rate-than-last-year/?sh=7186999274c6 https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcevoy/2021/09/02/covid-s...

prvc 4y ago

>as with most other problems, more educated people, especially regarding science, math and specifically statistics could help prevent these foolishnesses. "Could" is doing a lot of work there. I think, empirically, you will find the opposite relationship.