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You can't blame Lion for not having a delete key! It's a hardware choice. Add a wired USB keyboard (I use the long Apple one) and there's a perfectly functional

You can't blame Lion for not having a delete key! It's a hardware choice. Add a wired USB keyboard (I use the long Apple one) and there's a perfectly functional delete key, right there! What you can blame Lion for, is the fact that Xcode4 can't even scroll a sodding code window at repeat rate. Quad-core and discrete graphics, utterly ridiculous.

dhughes 15y ago
Yes true it's a hardware issue not OS and yes that's one option to use an external keyboard but I don't want to drag an external keyboard around with me otherwise I wouldn't have bought a laptop. The lack of a delete key actually labeled "delete" (not backspace labeled "delete") just seems to be a glaring error along with no separate number keypad. More thought went into making it look pretty than to make it useful. I'd sell this Macbook but I'm getting to like the swipe trackpad.
- X-Istence 15y ago
  How do you want them to fit a number keypad on a laptop? Fn + Delete does what you want.
  - dhughes 15y ago
    The speakers (on a 17" Macbook Pro) could be relocated, they're not much use where they are when I type since my hands block the sound partially anyway why not move then and expand the keyboard? No, pressing the Delete key makes the cursor go back a space. On Linux and Windows Delete pulls the text in from the right towards the cursor deleting it. I know Apple Macs are different but it seems odd why they wouldn't keep similar methods of using the keyboard, they made Darwin based on BSD (yes?) they obviously didn't keep the Delete and Backspace or does BSD not have Backspace only Delete? As I said I'm new to Mac but triple booting would be nicer if 1 of the 3 OS versions didn't have a keyboard that was so weird.
    - X-Istence 15y ago
      You didn't read what I had typed. Hold Fn and then hit Delete. Problem solved.
      - dhughes 15y ago
        I did and before that I even mentioned it first in a different reply above since I knew it would be brought up. Two keys on opposite ends of the keyboards requiring two key presses not exactly ergonomic.
    - rbanffy 15y ago
      A numeric keyboard could, in theory, fit on a 17" MBP, but that would make the computer ugly. If you are fine with that, you can get something from HP or Sony for substantially less than a MPB.
- philwelch 15y ago
  > The lack of a delete key actually labeled "delete" (not backspace labeled "delete") It's not a "glaring error" that it isn't labeled exactly like a PC. Apple keyboards have labeled the keys "delete" and "return" instead of "backspace" and "enter" since probably before the days that IBM labeled them "backspace" and "enter".

dhughes 15y ago

Yes true it's a hardware issue not OS and yes that's one option to use an external keyboard but I don't want to drag an external keyboard around with me otherwise I wouldn't have bought a laptop. The lack of a delete key actually labeled "delete" (not backspace labeled "delete") just seems to be a glaring error along with no separate number keypad. More thought went into making it look pretty than to make it useful. I'd sell this Macbook but I'm getting to like the swipe trackpad.

X-Istence 15y ago
How do you want them to fit a number keypad on a laptop? Fn + Delete does what you want.
- dhughes 15y ago
  The speakers (on a 17" Macbook Pro) could be relocated, they're not much use where they are when I type since my hands block the sound partially anyway why not move then and expand the keyboard? No, pressing the Delete key makes the cursor go back a space. On Linux and Windows Delete pulls the text in from the right towards the cursor deleting it. I know Apple Macs are different but it seems odd why they wouldn't keep similar methods of using the keyboard, they made Darwin based on BSD (yes?) they obviously didn't keep the Delete and Backspace or does BSD not have Backspace only Delete? As I said I'm new to Mac but triple booting would be nicer if 1 of the 3 OS versions didn't have a keyboard that was so weird.
  - X-Istence 15y ago
    You didn't read what I had typed. Hold Fn and then hit Delete. Problem solved.
    - dhughes 15y ago
      I did and before that I even mentioned it first in a different reply above since I knew it would be brought up. Two keys on opposite ends of the keyboards requiring two key presses not exactly ergonomic.
  - rbanffy 15y ago
    A numeric keyboard could, in theory, fit on a 17" MBP, but that would make the computer ugly. If you are fine with that, you can get something from HP or Sony for substantially less than a MPB.
philwelch 15y ago
> The lack of a delete key actually labeled "delete" (not backspace labeled "delete") It's not a "glaring error" that it isn't labeled exactly like a PC. Apple keyboards have labeled the keys "delete" and "return" instead of "backspace" and "enter" since probably before the days that IBM labeled them "backspace" and "enter".