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Their goal was to take 100% in a few days though. So 20% doesn't sound like winning to me. They've already failed strategically, so they're desperately trying

Their goal was to take 100% in a few days though. So 20% doesn't sound like winning to me. They've already failed strategically, so they're desperately trying to gain territory in areas where they have a localised tactical advantage (places near the border).

jeffreyrogers 4y ago
A strategic failure is what happened in the Yom Kippur War when the Israeli counterattack penetrated the Egyptian and Syrian front and started attacking the rear. I don't see how gaining 20% of an opponent's territory and entrenching yourself is losing even if Russia thought it would achieve more faster. So far Ukraine hasn't demonstrated an ability to counterattack at scale.
- mcphage 4y ago
  > I don't see how gaining 20% of an opponent's territory and entrenching yourself is losing I guess it depends on two questions: (1) have they accomplished their actual goals? (2) how quickly can they replace the manpower and equipment that they have lost so far?
- threeseed 4y ago
  > So far Ukraine hasn't demonstrated an ability to counterattack at scale They have been constantly counter attacking. And with so many Ukrainian soldiers in UK being trained the real offensive is coming soon when they return.
- scoopertrooper 4y ago
  There are of course degrees of failure. Egypt suffered a strategic collapse. Russia failed to achieve its primary strategic goals. It has even failed its secondary strategic goals like taking the Donbas. Instead of a swift conquest of Ukraine, they’re stuck in essentially a stalemate in most of the regions they control. They’re also facing an imminent counter offensive in the south with Kherson (their primary prize claimed so far) increasing cut from the lines of communication. Meanwhile, years of economic growth have been erased from the Russian economy, it’s diplomatically isolated, militarily discredited, and facing a reinvigorated and enlarged NATO. I’d call that a strategic failure.
  - imwillofficial 4y ago
    “Russia failed to achieve its primary strategic goals.” According to who? The war is ongoing and getting worse for Ukraine the long the west doesn’t invest more heavily
imwillofficial 4y ago
“Their goal was to take 100% in a few days though.” Citation needed. Trying for a move and adjusting when you don’t get the quick gambit isn’t failure.

jeffreyrogers 4y ago

A strategic failure is what happened in the Yom Kippur War when the Israeli counterattack penetrated the Egyptian and Syrian front and started attacking the rear. I don't see how gaining 20% of an opponent's territory and entrenching yourself is losing even if Russia thought it would achieve more faster. So far Ukraine hasn't demonstrated an ability to counterattack at scale.

mcphage 4y ago
> I don't see how gaining 20% of an opponent's territory and entrenching yourself is losing I guess it depends on two questions: (1) have they accomplished their actual goals? (2) how quickly can they replace the manpower and equipment that they have lost so far?
threeseed 4y ago
> So far Ukraine hasn't demonstrated an ability to counterattack at scale They have been constantly counter attacking. And with so many Ukrainian soldiers in UK being trained the real offensive is coming soon when they return.
scoopertrooper 4y ago
There are of course degrees of failure. Egypt suffered a strategic collapse. Russia failed to achieve its primary strategic goals. It has even failed its secondary strategic goals like taking the Donbas. Instead of a swift conquest of Ukraine, they’re stuck in essentially a stalemate in most of the regions they control. They’re also facing an imminent counter offensive in the south with Kherson (their primary prize claimed so far) increasing cut from the lines of communication. Meanwhile, years of economic growth have been erased from the Russian economy, it’s diplomatically isolated, militarily discredited, and facing a reinvigorated and enlarged NATO. I’d call that a strategic failure.
- imwillofficial 4y ago
  “Russia failed to achieve its primary strategic goals.” According to who? The war is ongoing and getting worse for Ukraine the long the west doesn’t invest more heavily

imwillofficial 4y ago

“Their goal was to take 100% in a few days though.” Citation needed. Trying for a move and adjusting when you don’t get the quick gambit isn’t failure.