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No, "boys in trailer parks" is decidedly not the same point as women being ignored. The fact that they are both equally relevant makes it utterly stupid that t

by mxkopy 4y ago

No, "boys in trailer parks" is decidedly not the same point as women being ignored. The fact that they are both equally relevant makes it utterly stupid that they are being talked about in the same place. If a separate top level comment were made about how poor people aren't on the map then I wouldn't be arguing that. But as a reply to a point about how women aren't on the map, you aren't doing much other than making it about men, by talking about how some men aren't on the map either. It's some "all lives matter" bullshit and should be recognized as such.

seneca 4y ago
As the person responding to you said, this is a conversation. It's not here for you to dictate the proper direction of. It's for people who are curious to share ideas back and forth. I personally find the responses significantly more interesting that your insults. If you are only interested in shutting down conversations that don't fit your preferred narrative, perhaps you are the problem.
- mxkopy 4y ago
  Imagine being a girl on HN. You see this cool map and see wow, not a lot of women I can look up to it seems. And you go to the comments and see someone agrees with you. OK cool, maybe people would start replying with some important women who should be more famous. Nope. Turns out it doesn't matter, because there are poor people who aren't famous either. You're actually priveleged to want to look up to women when there are poor people you could look up to. >I personally find the responses significantly more interesting that your insults. Have you considered that I'm not responding for the benefit of the enjoyment of some disinterested reader? >If you are only interested in shutting down conversations that don't fit your preferred narrative, perhaps you are the problem. And isn't this in and of itself shutting down a narrative? Aren't you just admitting that you would prefer if there wasn't all this unpleasantry, and that I'm a problem for not fitting that preference? I'm not a moderator. I can't "dictate" anything. What I did was point out the problem inherent in a statement. If you got so offended by that and equate it to shutting down conversation, maybe you should examine your biases.
davidguetta 4y ago
> If a separate top level comment were made about how poor people aren't on the map then I wouldn't be arguing that. Well that's precisely one of the point I was making: that people only care more about VISIBLE inequalities (the gender) which are, in my opinion which you can disagree with, a lower factor of actual inequalities in societies. At the end of the day I'm not the one who brought "inequalities for women" about a cool map which had a priori no political message. Everyone is free to make their own point of discussion, and you didn't jump out of your seat when this first point about women was made to say it was out of context as you are doing now. And as a french person it's insane that your culture is so confrontational and tribal that "all lives matters" has to be a divisive statement. Hope you guys will heal at some point.
- mxkopy 4y ago
  >a lower factor of actual inequalities in societies. You can't, and shouldn't compare independent circumstances. You can be poor and a man, you can be rich and a woman. >and you didn't jump out of your seat when this first point about women Imagine being a girl on HN. You see this cool map and see wow, not a lot of women I can look up to it seems. And you go to the comments and see someone agrees with you. OK cool, maybe people would start replying with some important women who should be more famous. Nope. Turns out it doesn't matter, because there are poor people who aren't famous either. You're actually priveleged to want to look up to women when there are poor people you could look up to. >And as a french person it's insane that your culture is so confrontational and tribal that "all lives matters" As a French person you don't know the context and therefore the depth of the idiocy of what you just wrote. There is a concept, you know, of cultural difference. Where if I say something and you react differently than I would, it makes sense because what I said means something different to you. Obviously "all lives matter" doesn't literally mean "all lives matter" in this context. People started saying that in the US because others were saying "black lives matter". But you know who gets disproportionately killed in police confrontations? Not "all people", but black people. So the meaning of "all lives matter" really is "I need to make this about me as well"/"You're talking about something I don't like, so I'm going to make it about something else." Sure it's tribal. One tribe wants the other to shut up about how people are getting murdered for no reason.

by mxkopy 4y ago

seneca 4y ago

As the person responding to you said, this is a conversation. It's not here for you to dictate the proper direction of. It's for people who are curious to share ideas back and forth. I personally find the responses significantly more interesting that your insults. If you are only interested in shutting down conversations that don't fit your preferred narrative, perhaps you are the problem.

mxkopy 4y ago
Imagine being a girl on HN. You see this cool map and see wow, not a lot of women I can look up to it seems. And you go to the comments and see someone agrees with you. OK cool, maybe people would start replying with some important women who should be more famous. Nope. Turns out it doesn't matter, because there are poor people who aren't famous either. You're actually priveleged to want to look up to women when there are poor people you could look up to. >I personally find the responses significantly more interesting that your insults. Have you considered that I'm not responding for the benefit of the enjoyment of some disinterested reader? >If you are only interested in shutting down conversations that don't fit your preferred narrative, perhaps you are the problem. And isn't this in and of itself shutting down a narrative? Aren't you just admitting that you would prefer if there wasn't all this unpleasantry, and that I'm a problem for not fitting that preference? I'm not a moderator. I can't "dictate" anything. What I did was point out the problem inherent in a statement. If you got so offended by that and equate it to shutting down conversation, maybe you should examine your biases.

davidguetta 4y ago

> If a separate top level comment were made about how poor people aren't on the map then I wouldn't be arguing that. Well that's precisely one of the point I was making: that people only care more about VISIBLE inequalities (the gender) which are, in my opinion which you can disagree with, a lower factor of actual inequalities in societies. At the end of the day I'm not the one who brought "inequalities for women" about a cool map which had a priori no political message. Everyone is free to make their own point of discussion, and you didn't jump out of your seat when this first point about women was made to say it was out of context as you are doing now. And as a french person it's insane that your culture is so confrontational and tribal that "all lives matters" has to be a divisive statement. Hope you guys will heal at some point.

mxkopy 4y ago
>a lower factor of actual inequalities in societies. You can't, and shouldn't compare independent circumstances. You can be poor and a man, you can be rich and a woman. >and you didn't jump out of your seat when this first point about women Imagine being a girl on HN. You see this cool map and see wow, not a lot of women I can look up to it seems. And you go to the comments and see someone agrees with you. OK cool, maybe people would start replying with some important women who should be more famous. Nope. Turns out it doesn't matter, because there are poor people who aren't famous either. You're actually priveleged to want to look up to women when there are poor people you could look up to. >And as a french person it's insane that your culture is so confrontational and tribal that "all lives matters" As a French person you don't know the context and therefore the depth of the idiocy of what you just wrote. There is a concept, you know, of cultural difference. Where if I say something and you react differently than I would, it makes sense because what I said means something different to you. Obviously "all lives matter" doesn't literally mean "all lives matter" in this context. People started saying that in the US because others were saying "black lives matter". But you know who gets disproportionately killed in police confrontations? Not "all people", but black people. So the meaning of "all lives matter" really is "I need to make this about me as well"/"You're talking about something I don't like, so I'm going to make it about something else." Sure it's tribal. One tribe wants the other to shut up about how people are getting murdered for no reason.