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I know what you mean, when I go to Bulgaria I still get this strange sense of freedom. I remember when I was a kid, completely normal TV channels turning to a p

by mrtksn 4y ago

I know what you mean, when I go to Bulgaria I still get this strange sense of freedom. I remember when I was a kid, completely normal TV channels turning to a porn channel exactly at 00:00. I think it is not happening anymore, the last time I witnessed this was maybe 5 years ago. The life feels natural, undesigned and unengineered. You don't feel like you have a mission, you can do whatever you want to do or not do anything or do the bere minimum if that's your thing. If you don't want to see nudity on TV, don't look. If you think that kids shouldn't see nudity on TV, don't let them. The state is not responsible for rising you or your kids. An argument against this lifestyle is that it makes people unambitious. I don't agree, the passionate people can follow their passion. Sedentary lifestyle is not the norm at all. For contrast, in UK it feels like you have to do something productive and reap the opportunities but be very careful(life is work). It Turkey it feels like you have very little wiggle room and have not much say in the flow of life(you are a visitor and the hosts have a plan). In Germany it feels like you need to fulfil your duties then find your place in the world(you are at school).

watwut 4y ago
> If you think that kids shouldn't see nudity on TV, don't let them. The state is not responsible for rising you or your kids. The switch to porn at midnight happened because state was actually restricting content. Kids entertainment was also controlled a lot. > An argument against this lifestyle is that it makes people unambitious But it does. Communism made people more passive in non private areas of life. Post communist setup less so, but still too due to corruption and criminality that endangered active people.
- mrtksn 4y ago
  This doesn't have anything to do with communism and the not showing porn when kids are typically around is about accommodating the parents. The difference is that the state doesn't try to control it(like UK where the state tries to implement ID verification for porn) but accommodate it. The society is not alarmist and absolutist, though the general consensus is that kids shouldn't be exposed to porn. It's a subtle difference, hard to explain of you don't have the experience. It's not something in the laws, it's the attitude.
  - watwut 4y ago
    > The difference is that the state doesn't try to control it(like UK where the state tries to implement ID verification for porn) but accommodate it. Who do you think restricted channels from showing sex/erotics/porn before midnight? It was the state. The overall attitudes are different and that reflects in the restrictions state puts on. But the idea that this is about responsibility being expected more from parents is not correct. The state is absolutely trying to control all of this. The overall society however does not see sexuality as traumatizing or as disgusting as Americans or UK do. > This doesn't have anything to do with communism and the not showing porn when kids are typically around is about accommodating the parents. It is not just about that. In communism, the state or party had its own ideas about what kids should or should not seen - and restricted based on that. It is about society itself and impact on society itseft, not so much about what parents think. Some of that attitude is residual. State controls and regulates things, but based on own ideas/perceived interests.
    - mrtksn 4y ago
      Nope, that's not how things in Bulgaria or even the Balkans in general work. The state definitely has ideas how things are supposed to work but on the ground often it does not work as expected. This is a problem for things like making roads safe or corruption, but on the other hand it also means the state does not have the power to control the daily lives of the citizens, which yields the sense of freedom that we are talking about. The problem(or feature, if you like) in the west is that the governments do function well and some attempt to design every aspect of life. In Bulgaria the government doesn't have that power and the people actively tend to push back. This is both nice and problematic. It's problematic, for example, when you need to vaccinate people. During the pandemic, Bulgaria had access to the same vaccines as the west but ended up to be the has some of the lowest vaccination rates and the highest death rate per capita.
      - watwut 4y ago
        We are talking about TV channels switching to erotics exactly at midnight. That is state regulation. They are not allowed to show it before, are allowed to show it later and thus all switch in sync. Balkans have a lot of corruption. But this one seems to he followed.

by mrtksn 4y ago

watwut 4y ago

> If you think that kids shouldn't see nudity on TV, don't let them. The state is not responsible for rising you or your kids. The switch to porn at midnight happened because state was actually restricting content. Kids entertainment was also controlled a lot. > An argument against this lifestyle is that it makes people unambitious But it does. Communism made people more passive in non private areas of life. Post communist setup less so, but still too due to corruption and criminality that endangered active people.

mrtksn 4y ago
This doesn't have anything to do with communism and the not showing porn when kids are typically around is about accommodating the parents. The difference is that the state doesn't try to control it(like UK where the state tries to implement ID verification for porn) but accommodate it. The society is not alarmist and absolutist, though the general consensus is that kids shouldn't be exposed to porn. It's a subtle difference, hard to explain of you don't have the experience. It's not something in the laws, it's the attitude.
- watwut 4y ago
  > The difference is that the state doesn't try to control it(like UK where the state tries to implement ID verification for porn) but accommodate it. Who do you think restricted channels from showing sex/erotics/porn before midnight? It was the state. The overall attitudes are different and that reflects in the restrictions state puts on. But the idea that this is about responsibility being expected more from parents is not correct. The state is absolutely trying to control all of this. The overall society however does not see sexuality as traumatizing or as disgusting as Americans or UK do. > This doesn't have anything to do with communism and the not showing porn when kids are typically around is about accommodating the parents. It is not just about that. In communism, the state or party had its own ideas about what kids should or should not seen - and restricted based on that. It is about society itself and impact on society itseft, not so much about what parents think. Some of that attitude is residual. State controls and regulates things, but based on own ideas/perceived interests.
  - mrtksn 4y ago
    Nope, that's not how things in Bulgaria or even the Balkans in general work. The state definitely has ideas how things are supposed to work but on the ground often it does not work as expected. This is a problem for things like making roads safe or corruption, but on the other hand it also means the state does not have the power to control the daily lives of the citizens, which yields the sense of freedom that we are talking about. The problem(or feature, if you like) in the west is that the governments do function well and some attempt to design every aspect of life. In Bulgaria the government doesn't have that power and the people actively tend to push back. This is both nice and problematic. It's problematic, for example, when you need to vaccinate people. During the pandemic, Bulgaria had access to the same vaccines as the west but ended up to be the has some of the lowest vaccination rates and the highest death rate per capita.
    - watwut 4y ago
      We are talking about TV channels switching to erotics exactly at midnight. That is state regulation. They are not allowed to show it before, are allowed to show it later and thus all switch in sync. Balkans have a lot of corruption. But this one seems to he followed.