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To be clear I'm not saying: don't eat meat. What I'm saying is you don't need to eat it 2-3 times per day. I don't eat meat by choice. > Historically humans d

To be clear I'm not saying: don't eat meat. What I'm saying is you don't need to eat it 2-3 times per day. I don't eat meat by choice. > Historically humans depended on animal protein for essential amino acids. It seems far-fetched to suggest we could scale up quinoa to 7+ billion humans given current global realities. I'm curious how you think we're feeding those 7+ billion today? If you're saying that animal production globally is efficient with respect to natural resources and waste, well that's even crazier than growing plants via alternative farming methods. > Humans naturally consume animal protein out of biological necessity. This is where the argument is lost on me. I'm not sure what point is being made here but it reads as if you're saying prehistoric humans got their protein through animals and animals only. This just isn't true and some research has stated only 40-50% of protein was acquired via animals. But the real problem here is that sales and marketing has led us to believe that we need more protein. Way more than we actually need. So much so that we're polluting via urine because of overconsumption of protein [0]. [0] https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/eating-too-much-protein-makes-pee-a-problem-pollutant-in-the-u-s https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/eating-too-much-p...

chitowneats 4y ago
There are certain amino acids that are almost exclusively found in animal protein. That's why I made the comment about quinoa. Getting complete nutrition exclusively from plants just isn't something that humans evolved doing. I eat meat only a few days a week, and typically only for dinner. So we are in agreement there. I don't even have the same concerns about a vegetarian diet. Dairy and eggs have everything you need and in large quantities. Veganism is a luxury lifestyle in 2022. If you aren't meticulous about your shopping, cooking, and consumption, it will make you profoundly ill given enough time.
- windexh8er 4y ago
  > Getting complete nutrition exclusively from plants just isn't something that humans evolved doing. Agreed. I haven't eaten red or white meat for over 5 years now. I'm not strict about animal oils / fats tainting my food intake. I also still consume eggs/dairy/fish. The difference being I consume very little of those things. I may eat fish 2 times per week at the most. I eat maybe 2-4 eggs per week (both cooked and used as an ingredient). Dairy I don't consume other than as an ingredient or the very occasional dessert (ice cream). I've only improved my health during that time. And as you get older it's interesting to see peers continue to overconsume and pay the price accordingly. We don't need to be vegans to make a significant improvement on our planet. But what's considered "normal" from a dietary standpoint today is nowhere near a truly healthful diet nor is it treading lightly on our ecosystem.
  - chitowneats 4y ago
    The "normal" American diet is a complete disaster, absolutely. Conspicuous overconsumption of meat is also a luxury lifestyle. That will become more clear to more people in the coming decades as the rest of the world increases its meat consumption to match that of more developed countries.

chitowneats 4y ago

There are certain amino acids that are almost exclusively found in animal protein. That's why I made the comment about quinoa. Getting complete nutrition exclusively from plants just isn't something that humans evolved doing. I eat meat only a few days a week, and typically only for dinner. So we are in agreement there. I don't even have the same concerns about a vegetarian diet. Dairy and eggs have everything you need and in large quantities. Veganism is a luxury lifestyle in 2022. If you aren't meticulous about your shopping, cooking, and consumption, it will make you profoundly ill given enough time.

windexh8er 4y ago
> Getting complete nutrition exclusively from plants just isn't something that humans evolved doing. Agreed. I haven't eaten red or white meat for over 5 years now. I'm not strict about animal oils / fats tainting my food intake. I also still consume eggs/dairy/fish. The difference being I consume very little of those things. I may eat fish 2 times per week at the most. I eat maybe 2-4 eggs per week (both cooked and used as an ingredient). Dairy I don't consume other than as an ingredient or the very occasional dessert (ice cream). I've only improved my health during that time. And as you get older it's interesting to see peers continue to overconsume and pay the price accordingly. We don't need to be vegans to make a significant improvement on our planet. But what's considered "normal" from a dietary standpoint today is nowhere near a truly healthful diet nor is it treading lightly on our ecosystem.
- chitowneats 4y ago
  The "normal" American diet is a complete disaster, absolutely. Conspicuous overconsumption of meat is also a luxury lifestyle. That will become more clear to more people in the coming decades as the rest of the world increases its meat consumption to match that of more developed countries.