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It's not really fair to put words into people's mouths like that. It's a pithy thing to do in places like reddit to get laughs and "gotcha" moments but I think

by ehnto 4y ago

It's not really fair to put words into people's mouths like that. It's a pithy thing to do in places like reddit to get laughs and "gotcha" moments but I think HN prefers to give people the chance to explain themselves, and the benefit of the doubt. If you think that's what they believe, then if you ask questions instead you give them the opportunity to explain it better. When you tell someone what they're saying rather than letting them say it, they have to spend time defending themselves against things they never said.

mxkopy 4y ago
When, as a reaction to the simple statement that there are less women on this map than there could be, someone says "[women] aren't being ignored, poor people are being ignored", I don't need to assume good faith in that individual. The goal of downplaying doesn't have to be stated to be obvious. If they wanted open and constructive discussion, they shouldn't start out with a destructive statement. Your apologetics are frankly worrying. If you really think lines of reasoning that downplay the importance of taking note of women and shoehorn male victimhood into those discussions should be given a chance to breathe, I don't think we can have a productive conversation.
- ehnto 4y ago
  > When, as a reaction to the simple statement that there are less women on this map than there could be, someone says "[women] aren't being ignored, poor people are being ignored", I don't need to assume good faith in that individual. The goal of downplaying doesn't have to be stated to be obvious. Fair enough, I'm not going to argue too hard on that matter since I do agree with your original statement that there could be more women on the map. > Your apologetics are frankly worrying. If you really think lines of reasoning that downplay the importance of taking note of women and shoehorn male victimhood into those discussions, I don't think we can have a productive conversation. You're assuming a position I don't have. I was pointing out that your discussion style is counter-productive, that doesn't mean I side with the other commenter, or yourself. But since your point wasn't to engage in discussion, I guess it doesn't matter.
  - mxkopy 4y ago
    It's fair to say I was being counter-productive. But I think everything has its place. Some things are better off not produced.
    - robertlagrant 4y ago
      If everything has its place, then how can some things be better to not be produced?

by ehnto 4y ago

mxkopy 4y ago

When, as a reaction to the simple statement that there are less women on this map than there could be, someone says "[women] aren't being ignored, poor people are being ignored", I don't need to assume good faith in that individual. The goal of downplaying doesn't have to be stated to be obvious. If they wanted open and constructive discussion, they shouldn't start out with a destructive statement. Your apologetics are frankly worrying. If you really think lines of reasoning that downplay the importance of taking note of women and shoehorn male victimhood into those discussions should be given a chance to breathe, I don't think we can have a productive conversation.

ehnto 4y ago
> When, as a reaction to the simple statement that there are less women on this map than there could be, someone says "[women] aren't being ignored, poor people are being ignored", I don't need to assume good faith in that individual. The goal of downplaying doesn't have to be stated to be obvious. Fair enough, I'm not going to argue too hard on that matter since I do agree with your original statement that there could be more women on the map. > Your apologetics are frankly worrying. If you really think lines of reasoning that downplay the importance of taking note of women and shoehorn male victimhood into those discussions, I don't think we can have a productive conversation. You're assuming a position I don't have. I was pointing out that your discussion style is counter-productive, that doesn't mean I side with the other commenter, or yourself. But since your point wasn't to engage in discussion, I guess it doesn't matter.
- mxkopy 4y ago
  It's fair to say I was being counter-productive. But I think everything has its place. Some things are better off not produced.
  - robertlagrant 4y ago
    If everything has its place, then how can some things be better to not be produced?