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For most Americans it's impossible to understand naturism. In their world a nipple must be covered. But gore and violence is accepted. Luckily in Europe you sti

For most Americans it's impossible to understand naturism. In their world a nipple must be covered. But gore and violence is accepted. Luckily in Europe you still have many places where people have a different mindset.

moonchrome 4y ago
Ummm, I can tell you straight away most people in Croatia don't like nudism or naked people walking around. There are places that allow that specifically - but if you walk around shirtless you'll likely get a fine. Croatia is very socially conservative, so I don't get these contrasts with America. We can't even legalise weed - I'd say largely due to religious connotations/pushback.
- chewonbananas 4y ago
  Plenty of old men walk shirtless in coastal cities, though.
  - moonchrome 4y ago
    Apparently those no shirtless walking signs were not based on any laws so they can't fine you, I just remember seeing that on news. Island cities did put up the signs, which was my point about the local attitude.
- lakomen 4y ago
  That is just not true. Maybe in beach restaurants but otherwise I've never experienced this. Hell people even get on busses topless.
- zb10948 4y ago
  That's pure conjecture, you don't know that. Yes if you ask someone from continental part, on a typical central european estate, "do you like nudism" ofc the answer will be no. Ask people that live in the towns that have nudist zones under their jurisdiction, that's how you get relevant answers. No, Croatia is not "very socially conservative". It is maybe a bit more conservative than typical EU state which is still way more progressive than American notion of "conservative" let alone "very conservative". Then the thing is that places mentioned in the thread are not conservative at all. Coastal towns are not conservative. I come from Split and I have never ever had any troubles or whatsoever of being shirtless. You know that we only have those fines because of uncultured tourists. Because they think they can enter museum or bank in their swimsuits. Also there have always been undesignated nudist zones everywhere. There's one 20 minutes walk from Split downtown. On the islands, wherever urbanization stops, there could be naked people on the rocks of the shoreline. They just move a bit away, like 200-300m further from the last accessible beach in the area, and sun on the rocks. Every child that has spent more than 2-3 hours in a boat in Dalmatia was bound to see naked human genitalia up front or in the distance.
  - StupidOne 4y ago
    Just to add to this - I'm from Zagreb (Capital of Croatia, former Yugoslavia republic) - we literally have nudist beach a mile or two from strict center of the city (https://tourist.hr/place/nudist-beach-jarun https://tourist.hr/place/nudist-beach-jarun).
  - moonchrome 4y ago
    >Then the thing is that places mentioned in the thread are not conservative at all. Coastal towns are not conservative. Umm they are literally putting up boards that they will fine people walking shirtless on islands. Apparently they can't actually fine them because it's not based on any laws - but it's cities putting up these signs. > Also there have always been undesignated nudist zones everywhere. Designated or not is a technically, how many people out of general population actually go there ? This notion that it's generally acceptable - it's not. When I've wondered into to those places on Pag as a kid it was almost exclusively tourists and the locals would talk about it very judgementally. >It is maybe a bit more conservative than typical EU state which is still way more progressive than American notion of "conservative" let alone "very conservative". A country where we have like 50% of people vaccinated for COVID because of conspiracy theories fuelled by religious community ? Where 86% of population declared as Chatolic ? Where no doctor would perform an abortion on fetus with brain tumor because of call to consciousness (even when it was legal) and a woman had to go to Slovenia ? Croatia is a religious and conservative country, comparing to US pointless, but pretending we're some progressive nudist friendly country is just counterfactual. We have nudist beaches, and people get naked on boats.
- medo-bear 4y ago
  > Croatia is very socially conservative lol at this. generally former yugoslavia is only superficially conservative. i mean that in a good way. particularly we care about politeness manners and about our image and how we are percieved (again exceptions always exist). but trust me we also know how to have fun and enjoy life. nije prisa ;)
  - leaflets2 4y ago
    Hmm that reads quite different from: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32275868 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32275868 just above someone apparently also living in Croatia (maybe another city? other social circles?)
trh0awayman 4y ago
In my neck of the woods of Europe, you're not supposed to go running without a shirt - and people will let you know.
- SyzygistSix 4y ago
  That's a modern take that shows what how puritanical we have become in the last 30-40 years. It's sad.
- leaflets2 4y ago
  o.O what country is that I haven't noticed (although in Europe, northern) (I run without a shirt :-))
iso1631 4y ago
> In their world a nipple must be covered A female nipple

moonchrome 4y ago

Ummm, I can tell you straight away most people in Croatia don't like nudism or naked people walking around. There are places that allow that specifically - but if you walk around shirtless you'll likely get a fine. Croatia is very socially conservative, so I don't get these contrasts with America. We can't even legalise weed - I'd say largely due to religious connotations/pushback.

chewonbananas 4y ago
Plenty of old men walk shirtless in coastal cities, though.
- moonchrome 4y ago
  Apparently those no shirtless walking signs were not based on any laws so they can't fine you, I just remember seeing that on news. Island cities did put up the signs, which was my point about the local attitude.
lakomen 4y ago
That is just not true. Maybe in beach restaurants but otherwise I've never experienced this. Hell people even get on busses topless.
zb10948 4y ago
That's pure conjecture, you don't know that. Yes if you ask someone from continental part, on a typical central european estate, "do you like nudism" ofc the answer will be no. Ask people that live in the towns that have nudist zones under their jurisdiction, that's how you get relevant answers. No, Croatia is not "very socially conservative". It is maybe a bit more conservative than typical EU state which is still way more progressive than American notion of "conservative" let alone "very conservative". Then the thing is that places mentioned in the thread are not conservative at all. Coastal towns are not conservative. I come from Split and I have never ever had any troubles or whatsoever of being shirtless. You know that we only have those fines because of uncultured tourists. Because they think they can enter museum or bank in their swimsuits. Also there have always been undesignated nudist zones everywhere. There's one 20 minutes walk from Split downtown. On the islands, wherever urbanization stops, there could be naked people on the rocks of the shoreline. They just move a bit away, like 200-300m further from the last accessible beach in the area, and sun on the rocks. Every child that has spent more than 2-3 hours in a boat in Dalmatia was bound to see naked human genitalia up front or in the distance.
- StupidOne 4y ago
  Just to add to this - I'm from Zagreb (Capital of Croatia, former Yugoslavia republic) - we literally have nudist beach a mile or two from strict center of the city (https://tourist.hr/place/nudist-beach-jarun https://tourist.hr/place/nudist-beach-jarun).
- moonchrome 4y ago
  >Then the thing is that places mentioned in the thread are not conservative at all. Coastal towns are not conservative. Umm they are literally putting up boards that they will fine people walking shirtless on islands. Apparently they can't actually fine them because it's not based on any laws - but it's cities putting up these signs. > Also there have always been undesignated nudist zones everywhere. Designated or not is a technically, how many people out of general population actually go there ? This notion that it's generally acceptable - it's not. When I've wondered into to those places on Pag as a kid it was almost exclusively tourists and the locals would talk about it very judgementally. >It is maybe a bit more conservative than typical EU state which is still way more progressive than American notion of "conservative" let alone "very conservative". A country where we have like 50% of people vaccinated for COVID because of conspiracy theories fuelled by religious community ? Where 86% of population declared as Chatolic ? Where no doctor would perform an abortion on fetus with brain tumor because of call to consciousness (even when it was legal) and a woman had to go to Slovenia ? Croatia is a religious and conservative country, comparing to US pointless, but pretending we're some progressive nudist friendly country is just counterfactual. We have nudist beaches, and people get naked on boats.
medo-bear 4y ago
> Croatia is very socially conservative lol at this. generally former yugoslavia is only superficially conservative. i mean that in a good way. particularly we care about politeness manners and about our image and how we are percieved (again exceptions always exist). but trust me we also know how to have fun and enjoy life. nije prisa ;)
- leaflets2 4y ago
  Hmm that reads quite different from: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32275868 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32275868 just above someone apparently also living in Croatia (maybe another city? other social circles?)

trh0awayman 4y ago

In my neck of the woods of Europe, you're not supposed to go running without a shirt - and people will let you know.

SyzygistSix 4y ago
That's a modern take that shows what how puritanical we have become in the last 30-40 years. It's sad.
leaflets2 4y ago
o.O what country is that I haven't noticed (although in Europe, northern) (I run without a shirt :-))

iso1631 4y ago

> In their world a nipple must be covered A female nipple