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> the whole thing about meat having an unacceptable carbon footprint pisses me off to no end. Well, as far as I've looked into it, the production of meat is si

> the whole thing about meat having an unacceptable carbon footprint pisses me off to no end. Well, as far as I've looked into it, the production of meat is significantly more water and energy (carbon) intensive than if we were to consume plants directly. And there's also the carbon output via methane. The meat production is completely unnecessary and it's not an efficient conversion. > The fact that eating insects is being suggested as an alternative makes it even worse. I don't know why someone would suggest eating insects at all. We don't need either of those things. Just eat the plants directly. There's no need for an inefficient conversion mechanism from plants to something else. > As someone who is has eaten plenty of bugs Interesting. Why did you do that?

upsidesinclude 4y ago
It's about protein at a bare minimum. Plant diets are lacking, we are not herbivores
- tejohnso 4y ago
  > Protein...Plant diets are lacking No, they are not lacking. Have you tried a plant based / meat-free diet and found this to be the case? "Studies at Harvard University as well as other studies conducted in the United States, United Kingdom, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and various European countries, confirmed vegetarian diets provide sufficient protein intake as long as a variety of plant sources are available and consumed" [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegetarianism#Protein https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegetarianism#Protein
  - upsidesinclude 4y ago
    Sufficient for what? You are making assumptions and otherwise fail to realize that a lifetime diet has more impact than can be understood with a contrived, likely biased, study designed to find the answer sought. Inuits lived primarily on whale blubber. It's entirely possibly to live on a diet nearly devoid of nutrition. No I won't provide you with a study. It is evident from the modern western diet of processed foods

upsidesinclude 4y ago

It's about protein at a bare minimum. Plant diets are lacking, we are not herbivores

tejohnso 4y ago
> Protein...Plant diets are lacking No, they are not lacking. Have you tried a plant based / meat-free diet and found this to be the case? "Studies at Harvard University as well as other studies conducted in the United States, United Kingdom, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and various European countries, confirmed vegetarian diets provide sufficient protein intake as long as a variety of plant sources are available and consumed" [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegetarianism#Protein https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegetarianism#Protein
- upsidesinclude 4y ago
  Sufficient for what? You are making assumptions and otherwise fail to realize that a lifetime diet has more impact than can be understood with a contrived, likely biased, study designed to find the answer sought. Inuits lived primarily on whale blubber. It's entirely possibly to live on a diet nearly devoid of nutrition. No I won't provide you with a study. It is evident from the modern western diet of processed foods