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Without going into the issue of whether or not it's okay to lie... there's nothing "false" about the trust it gains you. If I ask you to tell a lie that I speci
by mechanical_fish 18y ago
Without going into the issue of whether or not it's okay to lie... there's nothing "false" about the trust it gains you. If I ask you to tell a lie that I specify in order to prove your loyalty to me, and you do it, I gain more trust in you than if I'd just asked you to tell the truth.
What does your loyalty to rational truth tell me? Only that you're smart, and paying attention, and that you don't necessarily care what I think. Your willingness to conform to my arbitrary set of "lies", on the other hand, speaks volumes about your loyalty to me.
That's why hazing rituals tend to involve pain, embarrassment, lawbreaking, or all of the above.
- kirse 18y agoI would agree that the trust is not "false" and is authentic, but all this other malarky about "loyalty" still ignores the underlying issue - and that is a complete failure in this system of "intelligent" morality that rationalizes being two-faced for the sake of winning over more people. I know my system of morality values establishing trust in relationships by telling the truth, not through deception. If a little less success and loyalty is the result, I am more than willing to be "less successful".