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You have a point, and a few I do agree with, but to play devils advocate here, there is a reason they are trying to make it 'out of the box' as possible. It's a

You have a point, and a few I do agree with, but to play devils advocate here, there is a reason they are trying to make it 'out of the box' as possible. It's a business for them and ease of use is the key. I don't believe however they just disregard the security issues, I know a lot of the old school engineers involved in a lot of the core of older OS' and I can say hands down they're some of the best and most responsible engineers I've had the pleasure of working with. Over time microsoft have gotten a little bit better with open source for example, again because they realised that bigger community assistance helps their bottom line. Personally, in terms of proprietry OS' I do prefer their model over Apple/Redhat. And for many many years I despised Micro$oft.

marcodiego 4y ago
> It's a business for them and ease of use is the key. I have no personal problem with ease of use or market success because of it. I do have a personal problem with the feeling that it looks people behave almost like they are being brainwashed to believe some very very bad behaviors are "ease of use". > I don't believe however they just disregard the security issues, As an example, AFAIK windows still hides extensions by default.
- bilekas 4y ago
  > As an example, AFAIK windows still hides extensions by default. I'll bite on this one, it was always a weird choice as IIRC it was always there before back in 3.1 - xp!
- Falkon1313 4y ago
  Yes, hiding extensions is indeed really stupid. That's one of the first things I turn off when installing Windows. Meanwhile Mac does user-hostile things like hides scrollbars by default (so you don't even know something is scrollable) and also scrolls backwards by default (scroll up to scroll something down, scroll down to scroll something up). Those are a couple of the first settings I fix when I setup a new Mac. To this day I've never figured out how to get the edit keys (home, end, pgup, pgdn, insert, delete) to work properly. Those are all things that Windows does get right by default. Also Windows has window management built-in by default without needing a 3rd-party app, unlike Mac. For a windowed GUI-based operating system, that's a pretty big deal.
  - ziml77 4y ago
    The scrolling thing is even stupider than just being inverted: the scroll direction setting applies to both the trackpad and the mouse wheel. There's no way to make both feel like they're scrolling in the correct direction. Up on the mouse wheel should scroll up and down should scroll down, but the trackpad should behave like you're gripping a physical object and pushing it up to scroll down and pulling it down to scroll up. That's what's natural to me anyway. I'm sure others will be used to different behaviors. But my point is it should be possible to configure the scroll wheel and trackpad independently to account for all the different preferences.

marcodiego 4y ago

> It's a business for them and ease of use is the key. I have no personal problem with ease of use or market success because of it. I do have a personal problem with the feeling that it looks people behave almost like they are being brainwashed to believe some very very bad behaviors are "ease of use". > I don't believe however they just disregard the security issues, As an example, AFAIK windows still hides extensions by default.

bilekas 4y ago
> As an example, AFAIK windows still hides extensions by default. I'll bite on this one, it was always a weird choice as IIRC it was always there before back in 3.1 - xp!
Falkon1313 4y ago
Yes, hiding extensions is indeed really stupid. That's one of the first things I turn off when installing Windows. Meanwhile Mac does user-hostile things like hides scrollbars by default (so you don't even know something is scrollable) and also scrolls backwards by default (scroll up to scroll something down, scroll down to scroll something up). Those are a couple of the first settings I fix when I setup a new Mac. To this day I've never figured out how to get the edit keys (home, end, pgup, pgdn, insert, delete) to work properly. Those are all things that Windows does get right by default. Also Windows has window management built-in by default without needing a 3rd-party app, unlike Mac. For a windowed GUI-based operating system, that's a pretty big deal.
- ziml77 4y ago
  The scrolling thing is even stupider than just being inverted: the scroll direction setting applies to both the trackpad and the mouse wheel. There's no way to make both feel like they're scrolling in the correct direction. Up on the mouse wheel should scroll up and down should scroll down, but the trackpad should behave like you're gripping a physical object and pushing it up to scroll down and pulling it down to scroll up. That's what's natural to me anyway. I'm sure others will be used to different behaviors. But my point is it should be possible to configure the scroll wheel and trackpad independently to account for all the different preferences.