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Because many smokers, probably in the millions, have successfully used vapes to quit smoking. I would guess all this is propaganda to try to ban vapes but keep

Because many smokers, probably in the millions, have successfully used vapes to quit smoking. I would guess all this is propaganda to try to ban vapes but keep cigarettes legal. UK's NHS actually promotes vaping as a smoking cessation as policy. Here's the NHS page on e-cigarettes. You don't see the constant fear mongering you get from the US. I wonder why. https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/quit-smoking/using-e-cigarettes-to-stop-smoking/ https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/quit-smoking/using-e-cigarettes... There is a financial incentive in the US for the government to do this based on the tobacco master settlement agreement in which the tobacco companies give the states money based on smoking rates. Lower smoking rates, less money in the budgets. Ban the most successful smoking cessation tool, get more money when people go back to smoking. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tobacco_Master_Settlement_Agreement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tobacco_Master_Settlement_Agre... Edit: Source: 19% of people who used vapes to quit smoking still weren't smoking after a year. This compares to 9% for other cessation products. It's the most successful cessation product by more than double. https://www.webmd.com/connect-to-care/vaping/vaping-smoking-cessation-tool-pros-cons https://www.webmd.com/connect-to-care/vaping/vaping-smoking-... In 2019, there were approximately 50.6 million smokers, so it would be pretty easy to say at least a million people quit smoking using vapes with a 19% success rate. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33211681/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33211681/ In 2022, there are nearly 40 million smokers, so in 3 years, over 10 million people quit. If just 10% of those who quit used vapes, that's a million. https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/index.htm https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/index.htm Unfortunately for me, I'm one of the people who quit smoking using Juul. As soon as they are banned, I will most likely go back to smoking. I wish that wasn't the case, but it probably will be. Bad for me, bad for you, great for state budgets.

kube-system 4y ago
If they’re a smoking cessation product, then we should require a prescription so that the companies pushing vapes don’t attract a new generation of users who have used neither.
- Clubber 4y ago
  Ya perhaps. As long as it isn't over-burdensome like typical prescripts are, I'd say 1 prescription lasts a year. Nicorette used to require a prescription, but they stopped it after a decade or two. Of course that's not the objective. The objective is to ban it. That's why you won't hear any sensible dialog about it.
  - bena 4y ago
    Nicorette has the advantage of tasting bad. No one is going to buy it unless they want to quit smoking.
    - Clubber 4y ago
      Kids don't vape because it tastes good, they vape because of the nicotine. Cigarettes taste really bad, kids don't smoke because of the taste of cigarettes either, they smoke because of the nicotine. The whole candy flavor attracting kids is just some more BS IMO, kinda like the whole "pot is a gateway drug" thing. Also mint Nicorette taste pretty good.
      - bena 4y ago
        If vaping tasted like unwashed ass, it would be far less popular. And smoking is a lot like coffee, some people do enjoy the taste/smell. And others like the effects more than they dislike the taste. So the fact that vaping tastes better than both Nicorette and cigarettes makes it an easier sell. No one is doing it because it tastes good, but because it tastes good, it's easier to start.
- KMnO4 4y ago
  I can’t help but draw a parallel to contraceptives/emergency contraceptive. Restricting access will reduce the potential benefit more than it will curtail new users (ie smoking rates will go up, with more cigarette use).
  - 4y ago
benatkin 4y ago
lung.org is the tell
detaro 4y ago
Approximately nobody is concerned about vapes as a tool to quit cigarettes. Somehow that's not the use case being widely promoted though, basically all vaping advertising I see is much more "hip cool thing for young people", and more popular with the 16-25y-olds than smoking was before vaping took off.
lultimouomo 4y ago
> Because many smokers, probably in the millions, have successfully used vapes to quit smoking. You don't quote any source, so I'll feel free to use anecdata liberally as well. I know very few people who have successfully quit smoking for more than 6 months by start vaping; on the other hand, until 5 years ago it had become exceedingly rare to see people under 20 smoking; now I see a whole lot of youth with vapes and e-cigs. I believe the tobacco industry saw the writing on the wall and found a knew way to peddle habit forming poison to kids.

kube-system 4y ago

If they’re a smoking cessation product, then we should require a prescription so that the companies pushing vapes don’t attract a new generation of users who have used neither.

Clubber 4y ago
Ya perhaps. As long as it isn't over-burdensome like typical prescripts are, I'd say 1 prescription lasts a year. Nicorette used to require a prescription, but they stopped it after a decade or two. Of course that's not the objective. The objective is to ban it. That's why you won't hear any sensible dialog about it.
- bena 4y ago
  Nicorette has the advantage of tasting bad. No one is going to buy it unless they want to quit smoking.
  - Clubber 4y ago
    Kids don't vape because it tastes good, they vape because of the nicotine. Cigarettes taste really bad, kids don't smoke because of the taste of cigarettes either, they smoke because of the nicotine. The whole candy flavor attracting kids is just some more BS IMO, kinda like the whole "pot is a gateway drug" thing. Also mint Nicorette taste pretty good.
    - bena 4y ago
      If vaping tasted like unwashed ass, it would be far less popular. And smoking is a lot like coffee, some people do enjoy the taste/smell. And others like the effects more than they dislike the taste. So the fact that vaping tastes better than both Nicorette and cigarettes makes it an easier sell. No one is doing it because it tastes good, but because it tastes good, it's easier to start.
KMnO4 4y ago
I can’t help but draw a parallel to contraceptives/emergency contraceptive. Restricting access will reduce the potential benefit more than it will curtail new users (ie smoking rates will go up, with more cigarette use).
- 4y ago

benatkin 4y ago

lung.org is the tell

detaro 4y ago

Approximately nobody is concerned about vapes as a tool to quit cigarettes. Somehow that's not the use case being widely promoted though, basically all vaping advertising I see is much more "hip cool thing for young people", and more popular with the 16-25y-olds than smoking was before vaping took off.

lultimouomo 4y ago

> Because many smokers, probably in the millions, have successfully used vapes to quit smoking. You don't quote any source, so I'll feel free to use anecdata liberally as well. I know very few people who have successfully quit smoking for more than 6 months by start vaping; on the other hand, until 5 years ago it had become exceedingly rare to see people under 20 smoking; now I see a whole lot of youth with vapes and e-cigs. I believe the tobacco industry saw the writing on the wall and found a knew way to peddle habit forming poison to kids.