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“Therefore in 1909 I announced one morning, without any previous warning, that in the future we were going to build only one model, that the model was going to

“Therefore in 1909 I announced one morning, without any previous warning, that in the future we were going to build only one model, that the model was going to “Model T,” and that the chassis would be exactly the same for all cars, and I remarked: ‘Any customer can have a car painted any colour that he wants so long as it is black.’ I cannot say that any one agreed with me. The selling people could not of course see the advantages that a single model would bring about in production. More than that, they did not particularly care.” Henry Ford in collaboration with Samuel Crowther in My Life and Work. 1922. Page 72 Beside, color is all in your mind. Out of it, it's just electromagnetic waves.

hn92726819 4y ago
> Beside, color is all in your mind. Out of it, it's just electromagnetic waves No it isn't. Our eyes are sensitive enough to detect differences in the wavelengths. Would you say AM/FM radio waves exist only in our mind? No, they have real world impacts, just like color does.
- Borrible 4y ago
  >> Would you say AM/FM radio waves exist only in our mind? You're tweaking the analogy. I didn't wrote 'electromagnetic waves exist only in our mind'. I wrote the qualia 'color' exists in the mind as the highly processed result of the activity of certain complicated structures in space-time. Some carriers of these structures, that is some humans that are convinced the idea of science is reasonable, like to call these structures brains. So a lot of people on this planet, but by far not all. Others call them 'soul' or whatever is the currently most useful and hardest to disprove in their environment. The electromagnetic waves that trigger certain sensors in the eyes and trigger that processing are outside those brains. Or at least those brains assume they are. Assume with more or less good reason. But to complicate the thought, that is an assumption. That is, an element of the mind. But anyone in their right mind should back away from the abyss of solipsism now, right? >>Our eyes are sensitive enough to detect differences in the wavelengths So you are not seeing colors, but differences in wave lengths? That maybe, but most of us do see 'colors', that is a subjective perception? Do you see a red rose or a '620 to 750 nm' rose? Sorry, but I just love to ask people, what is 'red'? Just describe it, can't be that hard.
mekoka 4y ago
> Beside, color is all in your mind. Out of it, it's just electromagnetic waves. It's like saying that food is just nutrients, or sound/music just vibrations. Color is an experience.
- Borrible 4y ago
  >>Color is an experience. And where is your experience outside your mind? Whatever they are, where are qualia outside the model of your world? Where is your pain whe you get beaten up?
  - mekoka 4y ago
    I don't disagree with the points you were/are trying to make. I disagree as to their relevance in a discussion about colors.
    - Borrible 4y ago
      It may be not of relevance in your model of the world, aka your mind. It is of relevance in mine. I'm interested in a social trend, which may or may not exist according to this Twitter message, by which pure subjective experience, qualia, has a lower degree of variation than in the past. In short, is qualia of importance or not? What makes minds prefer white noise lately?

hn92726819 4y ago

> Beside, color is all in your mind. Out of it, it's just electromagnetic waves No it isn't. Our eyes are sensitive enough to detect differences in the wavelengths. Would you say AM/FM radio waves exist only in our mind? No, they have real world impacts, just like color does.

Borrible 4y ago
>> Would you say AM/FM radio waves exist only in our mind? You're tweaking the analogy. I didn't wrote 'electromagnetic waves exist only in our mind'. I wrote the qualia 'color' exists in the mind as the highly processed result of the activity of certain complicated structures in space-time. Some carriers of these structures, that is some humans that are convinced the idea of science is reasonable, like to call these structures brains. So a lot of people on this planet, but by far not all. Others call them 'soul' or whatever is the currently most useful and hardest to disprove in their environment. The electromagnetic waves that trigger certain sensors in the eyes and trigger that processing are outside those brains. Or at least those brains assume they are. Assume with more or less good reason. But to complicate the thought, that is an assumption. That is, an element of the mind. But anyone in their right mind should back away from the abyss of solipsism now, right? >>Our eyes are sensitive enough to detect differences in the wavelengths So you are not seeing colors, but differences in wave lengths? That maybe, but most of us do see 'colors', that is a subjective perception? Do you see a red rose or a '620 to 750 nm' rose? Sorry, but I just love to ask people, what is 'red'? Just describe it, can't be that hard.

mekoka 4y ago

> Beside, color is all in your mind. Out of it, it's just electromagnetic waves. It's like saying that food is just nutrients, or sound/music just vibrations. Color is an experience.

Borrible 4y ago
>>Color is an experience. And where is your experience outside your mind? Whatever they are, where are qualia outside the model of your world? Where is your pain whe you get beaten up?
- mekoka 4y ago
  I don't disagree with the points you were/are trying to make. I disagree as to their relevance in a discussion about colors.
  - Borrible 4y ago
    It may be not of relevance in your model of the world, aka your mind. It is of relevance in mine. I'm interested in a social trend, which may or may not exist according to this Twitter message, by which pure subjective experience, qualia, has a lower degree of variation than in the past. In short, is qualia of importance or not? What makes minds prefer white noise lately?