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You don't. Calculus gives exact measurements of the situation in terms of math. But math is fiction, one of many descriptions of reality that we have invented

You don't. Calculus gives exact measurements of the situation in terms of math. But math is fiction, one of many descriptions of reality that we have invented. Other descriptions, many of them non-scientific, work equally well. I just threw a rock at your head. It hit your head. Therefore, motion is possible without math.

ArnoVW 4y ago
Appeal to the stone fallacy! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_the_stone https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_the_stone
- BeFlatXIII 4y ago
  Appeal to the stone may be the most effective refutation to "very smart" A+ students with B- intellects (a.k.a. my K–12 peers) Then again, I generally have a dim view of using deductive reasoning as the first method of thinking. Lots of petulant "my absurd conclusion is correct because you agreed to my premises and that my argument contained no obvious logical fallacies" in that camp.
abirch 4y ago
I wouldn't say that math is fiction. I'd say that it's a tool that can be tested, but there isn't one tool that's correct. There can be many such as Euclidean vs Bolyai-Lobachevskian geometry. Both are non-fiction, one maybe more useful than the other.
- sandworm101 4y ago
  All the tools are fiction. They are creations of man. The rock doesnt care. Its existence is not altered one iota by the tools that man use to describe its motion. Things that have no impact outside the minds of men are fiction.
  - glitcher 4y ago
    If you are correct, then man must also be fiction. I keep using my consciousness to figure out if my consciousness is real, but I think it might be biased.
  - disconcision 4y ago
    well then 'fiction' is fiction so i guess everything is real
  - abirch 4y ago
    We can predict what will happen to the rock. That predict will or won't be fiction. If the rock is nahcolite we know what'll happen if we mix it with acid. The prediction will be fact or fiction.
throw0101a 4y ago
> But math is fiction […] Anyone interested in this can search for "Is math invented or discovered?".

ArnoVW 4y ago

Appeal to the stone fallacy! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_the_stone https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_the_stone

BeFlatXIII 4y ago
Appeal to the stone may be the most effective refutation to "very smart" A+ students with B- intellects (a.k.a. my K–12 peers) Then again, I generally have a dim view of using deductive reasoning as the first method of thinking. Lots of petulant "my absurd conclusion is correct because you agreed to my premises and that my argument contained no obvious logical fallacies" in that camp.

abirch 4y ago

I wouldn't say that math is fiction. I'd say that it's a tool that can be tested, but there isn't one tool that's correct. There can be many such as Euclidean vs Bolyai-Lobachevskian geometry. Both are non-fiction, one maybe more useful than the other.

sandworm101 4y ago
All the tools are fiction. They are creations of man. The rock doesnt care. Its existence is not altered one iota by the tools that man use to describe its motion. Things that have no impact outside the minds of men are fiction.
- glitcher 4y ago
  If you are correct, then man must also be fiction. I keep using my consciousness to figure out if my consciousness is real, but I think it might be biased.
- disconcision 4y ago
  well then 'fiction' is fiction so i guess everything is real
- abirch 4y ago
  We can predict what will happen to the rock. That predict will or won't be fiction. If the rock is nahcolite we know what'll happen if we mix it with acid. The prediction will be fact or fiction.

throw0101a 4y ago

> But math is fiction […] Anyone interested in this can search for "Is math invented or discovered?".