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While we are comparing irrelevant metrics to the discussed topic: Germany beats California at World Cups but loses out to it at World Wars. Turns out a country

While we are comparing irrelevant metrics to the discussed topic: Germany beats California at World Cups but loses out to it at World Wars. Turns out a country can be superior at one thing without being superior at all the things.

feet 4y ago
The US is number one is prisoner population, go USA!
renewiltord 4y ago
Sure, I was asking if it was worth the better critical thinking if it didn't lead to better life outcomes. It looks like, if there is better critical thinking in Europe it's not leading to better life outcomes. So that means one of two things: * better c-t does not lead to better l-o * the c-t is worse If you feel that World Cups are a better measure than maternal mortality rate, then have at it. The measures we choose are arbitrary, so we can just lay them all out. I'm happy to accept relevant metrics if you have them to show. Personally, I think a society with better critical thinking overall would be able to, given resources, reduce the number of dying new mothers but if you believe there is no relationship I am happy to just accept metrics you offer.
- allendoerfer 4y ago
  California and Germany are both rich and relatively successful. The reasons for it have nothing to do with their respective stance on nudity. It makes no sense to compare metrics here, they are useless, because there is no causation. You just have to look at poorer states from both the US and EU with the same ideas about nudity but wildly different economic outcomes to see that. Their success is based on cars, an engineering tradition, the US dollar, the biggest local market, DARPA, the protestant religion, competing nation states next door and a hundred other things. What I personally think the handling and censorship of nudity might actually influence is democratic discourse, mechanisms of what shocks, what should be censored, what works for populism, what is seen as freedom and what ultimately gets elected.

feet 4y ago

The US is number one is prisoner population, go USA!

renewiltord 4y ago

Sure, I was asking if it was worth the better critical thinking if it didn't lead to better life outcomes. It looks like, if there is better critical thinking in Europe it's not leading to better life outcomes. So that means one of two things: * better c-t does not lead to better l-o * the c-t is worse If you feel that World Cups are a better measure than maternal mortality rate, then have at it. The measures we choose are arbitrary, so we can just lay them all out. I'm happy to accept relevant metrics if you have them to show. Personally, I think a society with better critical thinking overall would be able to, given resources, reduce the number of dying new mothers but if you believe there is no relationship I am happy to just accept metrics you offer.

allendoerfer 4y ago
California and Germany are both rich and relatively successful. The reasons for it have nothing to do with their respective stance on nudity. It makes no sense to compare metrics here, they are useless, because there is no causation. You just have to look at poorer states from both the US and EU with the same ideas about nudity but wildly different economic outcomes to see that. Their success is based on cars, an engineering tradition, the US dollar, the biggest local market, DARPA, the protestant religion, competing nation states next door and a hundred other things. What I personally think the handling and censorship of nudity might actually influence is democratic discourse, mechanisms of what shocks, what should be censored, what works for populism, what is seen as freedom and what ultimately gets elected.