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There are a lot of modern contenders for this title now imo: 1)Fallout 76 2)Big Rigs: Over the road racing (possibly the only game in the history of metacriti

There are a lot of modern contenders for this title now imo: 1)Fallout 76 2)Big Rigs: Over the road racing (possibly the only game in the history of metacritic to have a single-digit score, with critics actually pleading with people not to buy the game) 3)Metal Gear: Survive (User ranking "Overwhelmingly dislike" in a franchise that is generally beloved). It's particularly funny to read the definitely astroturfed industry reviews saying it's one of the best survival games ever)

qsort 4y ago
> It's particularly funny to read the definitely astroturfed industry reviews I'm not even much of a gamer, but how is anybody still giving game journalism any credit whatsoever? We all remember the cuphead video, don't we?
- mszcz 4y ago
  The cuphead video?
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  - qsort 4y ago
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=848Y1Uu5Htk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=848Y1Uu5Htk
    - morelisp 4y ago
      Journalists who are not good at playing games are approximately the complete opposite of the real problem with games journalism.
      - qsort 4y ago
        The problem with that video is not that he's bad. The overwhelming majority of people are bad at games, myself included. The problem is that he doesn't understand what's going on. This is literally like if baseball coverage was done by someone who doesn't know what's a strike.
      - MichaelCollins 4y ago
        If you want to understand video games as an artform, then maybe so. Debatable (can they really evaluate the artistic merit of a game if they can't get past the tutorial?) but I think I see what you mean. But if you're a gamer looking for consumer advice, then game journalists who don't know how to play games are basically worthless. It would be like reading car reviews from somebody who can't drive. They can tell you what they think of the car from an artistic perspective, but they're ill equipped to offer good consumer advice.
        morelisp 4y ago
        I tend to agree with astrange's comment about VentureBeat specifically, but let's be honest here, we're not lacking in internet randos who spend too much time playing videogames, telling you whether you should or not buy a videogame. It's totally OK that someone is focusing on the industry news and not consumer reviews; and when he gets drafted into playing something (because you don't send your whole damn staff from CA to Köln to ingest what's 99% ignorable media blitz) and he sucks at it it's fine to take some time to point and laugh, but it says absolutely nothing about the greater state of games journalism.
- astrange 4y ago
  Dean Takahashi isn't really a game journalist, he's just there to give softball interviews to CEOs. Yet the only thing people know about him is he can't play Cuphead and not the actual problem here.
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- oneeyedpigeon 4y ago
  It's a bit unfair to judge an entire industry based on one journalist's experience of one game. Are you saying that "game journalism" (really, "writing about games") is discredited more than writing about film or food or fashion?
  - qsort 4y ago
    > Are you saying that "game journalism" (really, "writing about games") is discredited more than writing about film or food or fashion? Yes, by a mile. Columns about films, food, fashion (or sports for that matter) in major newspapers are usually curated by people who at least understand the medium that's the object of their critical review. The video game world is halfway between influencer wannabes and AAA studio shills.
    - Ekaros 4y ago
      Video game media probably always was corrupt and incestuous in their hype cycle. But at least back in those days people writing were on some level passionate for it. Now it seems that it is the place where wannabe journalist end up when they can not get work anywhere else. And thus try to insert what they want to signal in their writings. And most of the time not care about medium itself.
  - seanhunter 4y ago
    There really are a lot of terrible game journalists. The ones who aren't terrible tend to be independents rather than writing for big publications. An amusing and yet thoughtful take on the problem comes from Videogamedunkey https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lG2dXobAXLI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lG2dXobAXLI and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBqk7I5-0I0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBqk7I5-0I0
code_duck 4y ago
I'm playing Fallout 76 right now, ha. It was not great at launch to many people, but they significantly improved it since then, which wasn't a possibility in 1983.
m463 4y ago
Daikatana was pretty famous... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daikatana https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daikatana
jfim 4y ago
Metal Gear: Survive is actually kind of fun. If you ignore the Metal Gear label and the obvious asset reuse from MGS5, it's perfectly enjoyable as its own thing. It has its flaws and it's a bit repetitive, but it's not anything like Big Rigs, which is just janky and unintentionally hilarious.
Comevius 4y ago
Fallout 76 and Metal Gear: Survive are only bad because our standards these days are exceptionally high and they did not manage to earn their price. Fallout 76 since came closer. Both are above 70% on Steam.
- JauntyHatAngle 4y ago
  No, fallout 76 was borderline unplayable for a large amount of the user base and suffered from such a huge amount of game breaking issues it was a total scam to release when it did. It has since been patched up and is playable, but on release it deserved every bit of criticism it got. Now the main issue with it is monetisation, which is a divisive topic.
whywhywhywhy 4y ago
> Metal Gear: Survive I doubt this game is disliked because it's a terrible game because the game it's built upon has extremely solid gameplay, it's more disliked because of what it represents. The parent company sabotaging MGS5 development, kicking Hideo Kojima out, then using the assets and engine of the game to rush out some new game that doesn't fit in with the rest of the games without the original creator.

qsort 4y ago

> It's particularly funny to read the definitely astroturfed industry reviews I'm not even much of a gamer, but how is anybody still giving game journalism any credit whatsoever? We all remember the cuphead video, don't we?

mszcz 4y ago
The cuphead video?
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- qsort 4y ago
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=848Y1Uu5Htk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=848Y1Uu5Htk
  - morelisp 4y ago
    Journalists who are not good at playing games are approximately the complete opposite of the real problem with games journalism.
    - qsort 4y ago
      The problem with that video is not that he's bad. The overwhelming majority of people are bad at games, myself included. The problem is that he doesn't understand what's going on. This is literally like if baseball coverage was done by someone who doesn't know what's a strike.
    - MichaelCollins 4y ago
      If you want to understand video games as an artform, then maybe so. Debatable (can they really evaluate the artistic merit of a game if they can't get past the tutorial?) but I think I see what you mean. But if you're a gamer looking for consumer advice, then game journalists who don't know how to play games are basically worthless. It would be like reading car reviews from somebody who can't drive. They can tell you what they think of the car from an artistic perspective, but they're ill equipped to offer good consumer advice.
      - morelisp 4y ago
        I tend to agree with astrange's comment about VentureBeat specifically, but let's be honest here, we're not lacking in internet randos who spend too much time playing videogames, telling you whether you should or not buy a videogame. It's totally OK that someone is focusing on the industry news and not consumer reviews; and when he gets drafted into playing something (because you don't send your whole damn staff from CA to Köln to ingest what's 99% ignorable media blitz) and he sucks at it it's fine to take some time to point and laugh, but it says absolutely nothing about the greater state of games journalism.
astrange 4y ago
Dean Takahashi isn't really a game journalist, he's just there to give softball interviews to CEOs. Yet the only thing people know about him is he can't play Cuphead and not the actual problem here.
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oneeyedpigeon 4y ago
It's a bit unfair to judge an entire industry based on one journalist's experience of one game. Are you saying that "game journalism" (really, "writing about games") is discredited more than writing about film or food or fashion?
- qsort 4y ago
  > Are you saying that "game journalism" (really, "writing about games") is discredited more than writing about film or food or fashion? Yes, by a mile. Columns about films, food, fashion (or sports for that matter) in major newspapers are usually curated by people who at least understand the medium that's the object of their critical review. The video game world is halfway between influencer wannabes and AAA studio shills.
  - Ekaros 4y ago
    Video game media probably always was corrupt and incestuous in their hype cycle. But at least back in those days people writing were on some level passionate for it. Now it seems that it is the place where wannabe journalist end up when they can not get work anywhere else. And thus try to insert what they want to signal in their writings. And most of the time not care about medium itself.
- seanhunter 4y ago
  There really are a lot of terrible game journalists. The ones who aren't terrible tend to be independents rather than writing for big publications. An amusing and yet thoughtful take on the problem comes from Videogamedunkey https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lG2dXobAXLI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lG2dXobAXLI and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBqk7I5-0I0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBqk7I5-0I0

code_duck 4y ago

I'm playing Fallout 76 right now, ha. It was not great at launch to many people, but they significantly improved it since then, which wasn't a possibility in 1983.

m463 4y ago

Daikatana was pretty famous... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daikatana https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daikatana

jfim 4y ago

Metal Gear: Survive is actually kind of fun. If you ignore the Metal Gear label and the obvious asset reuse from MGS5, it's perfectly enjoyable as its own thing. It has its flaws and it's a bit repetitive, but it's not anything like Big Rigs, which is just janky and unintentionally hilarious.

Comevius 4y ago

Fallout 76 and Metal Gear: Survive are only bad because our standards these days are exceptionally high and they did not manage to earn their price. Fallout 76 since came closer. Both are above 70% on Steam.

JauntyHatAngle 4y ago
No, fallout 76 was borderline unplayable for a large amount of the user base and suffered from such a huge amount of game breaking issues it was a total scam to release when it did. It has since been patched up and is playable, but on release it deserved every bit of criticism it got. Now the main issue with it is monetisation, which is a divisive topic.

whywhywhywhy 4y ago

> Metal Gear: Survive I doubt this game is disliked because it's a terrible game because the game it's built upon has extremely solid gameplay, it's more disliked because of what it represents. The parent company sabotaging MGS5 development, kicking Hideo Kojima out, then using the assets and engine of the game to rush out some new game that doesn't fit in with the rest of the games without the original creator.