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It's worded in a way that implies racism. You could write "high crime areas" or "low socioeconomic status neighborhoods" or any of a dozen equally accurate term

It's worded in a way that implies racism. You could write "high crime areas" or "low socioeconomic status neighborhoods" or any of a dozen equally accurate terms. Instead, the author chose something vague (are they being placed in Jewish neighborhoods? Chinese neighborhoods? Indian? Hispanic?) And suggestive.

elil17 4y ago
If something has a racist outcome then I don’t see how its “implied” to be racist. It is racist. They just didn’t say anything about whether it was intentional (which no one can know except people who decided where to put the systems).
- ALittleLight 4y ago
  Ah, then it must be racism keeping white people out of the NBA, right? Maybe not intentional racism, but the outcome is racist. Or Jewish people are overrepresented in Congress - I'm not saying it's some kind of intentional cabal, but you can't deny that it's a "racist outcome". Very few Chinese and Japanese people, per capita, are arrested for violent crime in the US. Is this because the police intentionally avoid arresting Chinese and Japanese criminals or do they subconsciously avoid arresting them because of implicit biases? Or maybe there is some other, much simpler, solution. The reason violent crime enforcement disproportionately affects black people in the United States is because black people disproportionately commit violent crime. Black people, for example, commit most of the murders in the United States despite not being most of the population. It is not racist to notice and react to crime. On the contrary, it is racist to insist that law abiding black people, the vast majority, endure high rates of crime. Reducing and hobbling law enforcement necessitates that citizens who might be protected are not.
  - hiptobecubic 4y ago
    Honestly I do think it's racism that ultimately is responsible for the demographics of professional sports in the US. The system is powered by people and people do not consider all the players in the same way, e.g. https://www.brookings.edu/blog/how-we-rise/2020/03/06/march-madness-and-college-basketballs-racial-bias-problem/ https://www.brookings.edu/blog/how-we-rise/2020/03/06/march-.... That's without getting into the socio-economic factors that lead people to pursue sports as a career rather than playing in school and then going on to be an architect or whatever it is. The rest of your comments have been dissected and examined to such an extreme over the last like... 80 years... that I don't have anything new to add to the discussion.
    - ALittleLight 4y ago
      Your link is completely unrelated to the claim that racism is responsible for the demographics of sports. It discusses the tendency of athletes with dark skin to be described as big and strong and light skinned athletes to be described as smart or knowledgeable. The issue is that black people are overrepresented in the NBA. This is a "racist outcome" per the language of an ancestor comment. Is it because the league is prejudiced against white people and keeping them out? Prejudiced against black people and expressing the prejudice, for some reason, by admitting more black players to the league? Or, could it possibly be that black people are just more likely to be good at basketball? Black people are ~15% of the US population and ~75% of the NBA. Must be an awful lot of racism there...

elil17 4y ago

If something has a racist outcome then I don’t see how its “implied” to be racist. It is racist. They just didn’t say anything about whether it was intentional (which no one can know except people who decided where to put the systems).

ALittleLight 4y ago
Ah, then it must be racism keeping white people out of the NBA, right? Maybe not intentional racism, but the outcome is racist. Or Jewish people are overrepresented in Congress - I'm not saying it's some kind of intentional cabal, but you can't deny that it's a "racist outcome". Very few Chinese and Japanese people, per capita, are arrested for violent crime in the US. Is this because the police intentionally avoid arresting Chinese and Japanese criminals or do they subconsciously avoid arresting them because of implicit biases? Or maybe there is some other, much simpler, solution. The reason violent crime enforcement disproportionately affects black people in the United States is because black people disproportionately commit violent crime. Black people, for example, commit most of the murders in the United States despite not being most of the population. It is not racist to notice and react to crime. On the contrary, it is racist to insist that law abiding black people, the vast majority, endure high rates of crime. Reducing and hobbling law enforcement necessitates that citizens who might be protected are not.
- hiptobecubic 4y ago
  Honestly I do think it's racism that ultimately is responsible for the demographics of professional sports in the US. The system is powered by people and people do not consider all the players in the same way, e.g. https://www.brookings.edu/blog/how-we-rise/2020/03/06/march-madness-and-college-basketballs-racial-bias-problem/ https://www.brookings.edu/blog/how-we-rise/2020/03/06/march-.... That's without getting into the socio-economic factors that lead people to pursue sports as a career rather than playing in school and then going on to be an architect or whatever it is. The rest of your comments have been dissected and examined to such an extreme over the last like... 80 years... that I don't have anything new to add to the discussion.
  - ALittleLight 4y ago
    Your link is completely unrelated to the claim that racism is responsible for the demographics of sports. It discusses the tendency of athletes with dark skin to be described as big and strong and light skinned athletes to be described as smart or knowledgeable. The issue is that black people are overrepresented in the NBA. This is a "racist outcome" per the language of an ancestor comment. Is it because the league is prejudiced against white people and keeping them out? Prejudiced against black people and expressing the prejudice, for some reason, by admitting more black players to the league? Or, could it possibly be that black people are just more likely to be good at basketball? Black people are ~15% of the US population and ~75% of the NBA. Must be an awful lot of racism there...