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This rant sounds like an informercial full of fake problems nobody has. I have used Linux for decades and have never experienced any of this. 1. Use the softw

This rant sounds like an informercial full of fake problems nobody has. I have used Linux for decades and have never experienced any of this. 1. Use the software packaged for your distro. Want to update? then update. It just works. 2. Use the packaged nvidia drivers for your distro. Want to update? then update. It just works. 3. Prefer a laptop that is compatible with Linux, if that's not possible, use a laptop-friendly distro. 4. 99.99999% of people will never ever try to do that probably that's why. 5. Most of them are key/value based despite the syntax. 6. Yet most distros inherit from a major base distro like Redhat, Debian or others. If you want to use Slackware or Gentoo then that's your own choice. 7. There are many distros but, many of them are Debian or Redhat based, the ones that aren't are used by a tiny percentage of users. 8. And Pipewire solves this, and is the default sound server on recent distros.

JohnL4 4y ago
4. I'm an old. I will almost certainly try scaling my display by 125% or 150%.
doodlesdev 4y ago
Also the point about using Docker for GUI apps is crazy. I've never seen the need for such thing. AppImages, Flatpaks, heck even Snaps exist and allow developers to distribute applications along with the dependencies. They have their issues but they're good if the developer does not have much time to mess around with deps and testing in different distros, some users also prefer them due to "sandboxing". I'm not saying Linux desktop is perfect by any stretch of the imagination, but it's not the clusterfuck NavinF is talking about.
- 29athrowaway 4y ago
  Docker? Just use SELinux or Apparmor, seccomp, Xephyr, or something.
NavinF 4y ago
Pipewire does not solve that unless your app uses their API. For 99% off apps (100% of VoIP?) you still get the same old latency until you go tuning configs. Pipewire is also not enabled on any LTS. The rest of your replies reads as "La la la, I can't hear you!" which is pretty typical of the desktop Linux community. Deflect, deflect, and deflect :)
- xorcist 4y ago
  Not sure what "solving" means but it's not correct that Pipewire doesn't offer any benefits unless you use another API. Depending on what you compare it with, of course. If you use audio semi-professionally you might already use low latency software and not see better latency, but compared to Pulseaudio the difference should be noticeable. Of course, if the application is VoIP than Pulseaudio was already good enough, as network latency is an order of magnitude greater, but for realtime streaming applications the difference is there. Most end users won't care however. They switch when the distribution they use switches over.
- 29athrowaway 4y ago
  You just listed a bunch of obscure issues that most people do not have and tried to portray that as being a blocker for a regular person adopting Linux.
alpaca128 4y ago
1. Not all software is available in the repos, in some distros this happens frequently. And no, it doesn't "just work", I've even tried a popular distro that destroyed itself with the first update on a clean install. 2. I invite you to try an Nvidia Optimus setup. Good luck and hope you don't end up with a black screen because your distro thought it can handle it but doesn't. 3. Even if that was easy, most people trying out Linux do so with the hardware they currently have. And more often than not this means broken suspend or wifi or... 4. We have pretty cheap 4k screens nowadays and laptops with 4k. It's not that uncommon. 6. Are you seriously implying distros inheriting from another are all compatible with each other?

JohnL4 4y ago

4. I'm an old. I will almost certainly try scaling my display by 125% or 150%.

doodlesdev 4y ago

Also the point about using Docker for GUI apps is crazy. I've never seen the need for such thing. AppImages, Flatpaks, heck even Snaps exist and allow developers to distribute applications along with the dependencies. They have their issues but they're good if the developer does not have much time to mess around with deps and testing in different distros, some users also prefer them due to "sandboxing". I'm not saying Linux desktop is perfect by any stretch of the imagination, but it's not the clusterfuck NavinF is talking about.

29athrowaway 4y ago
Docker? Just use SELinux or Apparmor, seccomp, Xephyr, or something.

NavinF 4y ago

Pipewire does not solve that unless your app uses their API. For 99% off apps (100% of VoIP?) you still get the same old latency until you go tuning configs. Pipewire is also not enabled on any LTS. The rest of your replies reads as "La la la, I can't hear you!" which is pretty typical of the desktop Linux community. Deflect, deflect, and deflect :)

xorcist 4y ago
Not sure what "solving" means but it's not correct that Pipewire doesn't offer any benefits unless you use another API. Depending on what you compare it with, of course. If you use audio semi-professionally you might already use low latency software and not see better latency, but compared to Pulseaudio the difference should be noticeable. Of course, if the application is VoIP than Pulseaudio was already good enough, as network latency is an order of magnitude greater, but for realtime streaming applications the difference is there. Most end users won't care however. They switch when the distribution they use switches over.
29athrowaway 4y ago
You just listed a bunch of obscure issues that most people do not have and tried to portray that as being a blocker for a regular person adopting Linux.

alpaca128 4y ago

1. Not all software is available in the repos, in some distros this happens frequently. And no, it doesn't "just work", I've even tried a popular distro that destroyed itself with the first update on a clean install. 2. I invite you to try an Nvidia Optimus setup. Good luck and hope you don't end up with a black screen because your distro thought it can handle it but doesn't. 3. Even if that was easy, most people trying out Linux do so with the hardware they currently have. And more often than not this means broken suspend or wifi or... 4. We have pretty cheap 4k screens nowadays and laptops with 4k. It's not that uncommon. 6. Are you seriously implying distros inheriting from another are all compatible with each other?