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> Plasma/KDE was also very windows-like, so I don’t buy the argument that Microsoft was the cause, it was mostly gnome devs thinking that they could get a radic

> Plasma/KDE was also very windows-like, so I don’t buy the argument that Microsoft was the cause, it was mostly gnome devs thinking that they could get a radical touch-first redesign in before anyone else. The article does touch on that, apparently Suse signed a patent deal with MS which sidestepped the issues so they could continue the design as usual. Gnome and Redhat refused. If this is true it kinda reinforces my feeling that Gnome 3 was a redesign for the sake of it. I hate almost everything about it though I'm not married to the windows concept. But everything about it just feels wrong. The huge "touch-friendly" title bars, the menus hidden in hamburger buttons, the lack of configuration options like macOS. And I really tried to like it. When I moved back to FOSS from Mac it was my first choice. I love KDE though only recently, I thought KDE 3 was too cluttery. It feels like it only came into its own right with Plasma. And I don't find it all that Windows-like though the taskbar certainly is more Windows-like than other DE's. But a taskbar doth not a windows make. Overall I find it distinctly different from Windows. The control panel is definitely a lot better than that mashup of different styles in Windows.

TingPing 4y ago
SUSE doesn't even use KDE, they use GNOME... Sounds unlikely.
- uncletaco 4y ago
  In 2006 SUSE was the KDE distribution. Unambiguously. While other distros had community editions that shipped KDE (as the article mentions) when you wanted KDE with no frills and everything working out of the box you used SUSE or OpenSUSE.
  - giantrobot 4y ago
    IIRC SUSE had been using KDE as the default DE since its inception. I know KDE was the default environment around 2000 when I first used it. YaST 2 was also written against Qt.
- GekkePrutser 4y ago
  The article also touches on that, at the time SUSE used KDE, and after they acquired Ximian they became more Gnome-friendly. Even now KDE is one of the 3 default DEs, the others are Gnome and XFCE. Like I said in another comment, I'm not sure how much is true of the reasoning of the Gnome redesign the article mentions but this part seems to pan out.
  - TingPing 4y ago
    SUSE only supports GNOME. Any other DE is community maintained and only in OpenSUSE.
- lproven 4y ago
  I wrote the article and I specifically covered why that happened. Novell bought SUSE. Then Novell bought Ximian, the GNOME company that wrote Nautilus ("Files") and Evolution. The Novell forcibly merged SUSE and Ximian. https://www.arnnet.com.au/article/12755/ https://www.arnnet.com.au/article/12755/

TingPing 4y ago

SUSE doesn't even use KDE, they use GNOME... Sounds unlikely.

uncletaco 4y ago
In 2006 SUSE was the KDE distribution. Unambiguously. While other distros had community editions that shipped KDE (as the article mentions) when you wanted KDE with no frills and everything working out of the box you used SUSE or OpenSUSE.
- giantrobot 4y ago
  IIRC SUSE had been using KDE as the default DE since its inception. I know KDE was the default environment around 2000 when I first used it. YaST 2 was also written against Qt.
GekkePrutser 4y ago
The article also touches on that, at the time SUSE used KDE, and after they acquired Ximian they became more Gnome-friendly. Even now KDE is one of the 3 default DEs, the others are Gnome and XFCE. Like I said in another comment, I'm not sure how much is true of the reasoning of the Gnome redesign the article mentions but this part seems to pan out.
- TingPing 4y ago
  SUSE only supports GNOME. Any other DE is community maintained and only in OpenSUSE.
lproven 4y ago
I wrote the article and I specifically covered why that happened. Novell bought SUSE. Then Novell bought Ximian, the GNOME company that wrote Nautilus ("Files") and Evolution. The Novell forcibly merged SUSE and Ximian. https://www.arnnet.com.au/article/12755/ https://www.arnnet.com.au/article/12755/