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How Racial groups rate each other

19 points by mpweiher 4y ago

PaulHoule 4y ago
It's amusing that whites think they don't prefer any racial group.
- boredumb 4y ago
  If that is your take away after reading that you should probably take some time to do a little soul searching.
- tamaharbor 4y ago
  And that all the other groups are apparently very racist.
nomdep 4y ago
In 2020. In USA.
DoctorOW 4y ago
I wasn't one of the survey participants but I can't really understand the point of this from their perspective. I have absolutely no idea what I would rate any race including my own. I don't even know most of the people in a racial group.
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- yucky 4y ago
  I'm sure we can deduce how Gen Z (and a large segment of millennials) would rate "white men" for instance, just based on how they talk about that cohort online or in the media. That sort of thinking is ignorant yes, but very prevalent.
lordofgibbons 4y ago
What does it mean to rate each other? Based on what metric? Is this a general perception? I.e we are good, they are bad?
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boplicity 4y ago
This was the survey used to generate the data: https://electionstudies.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/anes_timeseries_2020_qnaire_post.pdf https://electionstudies.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/anes_...
- lvass 4y ago
  >Please enter the rating number in the number box. Ratings between 50 degrees and 100 degrees mean that you feel favorable and warm toward the group. Ratings between 0 degrees and 50 degrees mean that you don't feel favorable toward the group and that you don't care too much for that group. You would rate the group at the 50 degree mark if you don't feel particularly warm or cold toward the group.
dixie_land 4y ago
In case you’re also confused as to what the ratings are measuring, from the comments section of the original article: > The items are feeling thermometers, asking participants to rate the groups from 0 through 100. The items are on pages 121 to 124, here: https://electionstudies.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/anes_timeseries_2020_qnaire_post.pdf https://electionstudies.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/anes_...
buscoquadnary 4y ago
What was the point of this? And I mean that on multiple levels.
prohobo 4y ago
This is clearly a case of racism against racists, because we hate racist races. Perfectly understandable.
3pt14159 4y ago
These results look fishy. I don't have time to dig into everything, but I did read the relevant part of the PDF where the questions were. I don't know where the error is, but the variance in how whites answer alone would cause me to raise a big eyebrow. Let alone compared to the rest of the results. I'm not saying the results are wrong, just that I don't buy them given the amount of time I've invested. I would devote more time to researching this if it were published somewhere I recognized, but there are only so many hours in a day. Also, when it comes to racism in North America, "Asians" is not an appropriate racial group. I've yet to hear a single Canadian that was born after 1940 talk poorly about Japanese people, but there are plenty of other Asian subgroups that I've heard horrible things about. And as is almost always the case with surveys like this, Jews are often white, but suffer bigotry from white racists. This topic and research around it is messy.
- PaulHoule 4y ago
  Many "asians" in the US complain about a "bamboo ceiling" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bamboo_ceiling https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bamboo_ceiling and every so often asians in the US report being physically attacked by people who refer to them with racial slurs during the attack. I've definitely overheard racist comments about the attractiveness and sexuality of asian males in white company. Something very similar was done for religious groups here: https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2017/02/15/americans-express-increasingly-warm-feelings-toward-religious-groups/ https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2017/02/15/americans-ex... I shouldn't say I'm "amused" by a finding because that sure got another comment of mine voted down, but it's an interesting observation (in the fourth table) that white evangelicals have a high opinion of Jewish people (compared to say, Catholics) but that Jewish people have a poor opinion of white evangelicals.
  - Fatnino 4y ago
    That's because evangelicals "like" Jews so there can be someone around to gloat "we told you so" when the second coming happens or whatever. Jews have picked up on this. Or just happen to be liberal.
  - 3pt14159 4y ago
Overtonwindow 4y ago
By this data, everyone is racist?
PaulHoule 4y ago
Notably no group really ‘hates’ another group on average in that study, they are still favorable, but just less favorable. If you looked under the averages though you would find a probability distribution. For instance a group that rates itself as 80 and rates another as 60 might have a large majority that rates both groups as 80 and a minority that rates the other as 0.

19 points by mpweiher 4y ago

PaulHoule 4y ago

It's amusing that whites think they don't prefer any racial group.

boredumb 4y ago
If that is your take away after reading that you should probably take some time to do a little soul searching.
tamaharbor 4y ago
And that all the other groups are apparently very racist.

nomdep 4y ago

In 2020. In USA.

DoctorOW 4y ago

I wasn't one of the survey participants but I can't really understand the point of this from their perspective. I have absolutely no idea what I would rate any race including my own. I don't even know most of the people in a racial group.

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yucky 4y ago
I'm sure we can deduce how Gen Z (and a large segment of millennials) would rate "white men" for instance, just based on how they talk about that cohort online or in the media. That sort of thinking is ignorant yes, but very prevalent.

lordofgibbons 4y ago

What does it mean to rate each other? Based on what metric? Is this a general perception? I.e we are good, they are bad?

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boplicity 4y ago

This was the survey used to generate the data: https://electionstudies.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/anes_timeseries_2020_qnaire_post.pdf https://electionstudies.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/anes_...

lvass 4y ago
>Please enter the rating number in the number box. Ratings between 50 degrees and 100 degrees mean that you feel favorable and warm toward the group. Ratings between 0 degrees and 50 degrees mean that you don't feel favorable toward the group and that you don't care too much for that group. You would rate the group at the 50 degree mark if you don't feel particularly warm or cold toward the group.

dixie_land 4y ago

In case you’re also confused as to what the ratings are measuring, from the comments section of the original article: > The items are feeling thermometers, asking participants to rate the groups from 0 through 100. The items are on pages 121 to 124, here: https://electionstudies.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/anes_timeseries_2020_qnaire_post.pdf https://electionstudies.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/anes_...

buscoquadnary 4y ago

What was the point of this? And I mean that on multiple levels.

prohobo 4y ago

This is clearly a case of racism against racists, because we hate racist races. Perfectly understandable.

3pt14159 4y ago

These results look fishy. I don't have time to dig into everything, but I did read the relevant part of the PDF where the questions were. I don't know where the error is, but the variance in how whites answer alone would cause me to raise a big eyebrow. Let alone compared to the rest of the results. I'm not saying the results are wrong, just that I don't buy them given the amount of time I've invested. I would devote more time to researching this if it were published somewhere I recognized, but there are only so many hours in a day. Also, when it comes to racism in North America, "Asians" is not an appropriate racial group. I've yet to hear a single Canadian that was born after 1940 talk poorly about Japanese people, but there are plenty of other Asian subgroups that I've heard horrible things about. And as is almost always the case with surveys like this, Jews are often white, but suffer bigotry from white racists. This topic and research around it is messy.

PaulHoule 4y ago
Many "asians" in the US complain about a "bamboo ceiling" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bamboo_ceiling https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bamboo_ceiling and every so often asians in the US report being physically attacked by people who refer to them with racial slurs during the attack. I've definitely overheard racist comments about the attractiveness and sexuality of asian males in white company. Something very similar was done for religious groups here: https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2017/02/15/americans-express-increasingly-warm-feelings-toward-religious-groups/ https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2017/02/15/americans-ex... I shouldn't say I'm "amused" by a finding because that sure got another comment of mine voted down, but it's an interesting observation (in the fourth table) that white evangelicals have a high opinion of Jewish people (compared to say, Catholics) but that Jewish people have a poor opinion of white evangelicals.
- Fatnino 4y ago
  That's because evangelicals "like" Jews so there can be someone around to gloat "we told you so" when the second coming happens or whatever. Jews have picked up on this. Or just happen to be liberal.
- 3pt14159 4y ago

Overtonwindow 4y ago

By this data, everyone is racist?

PaulHoule 4y ago

Notably no group really ‘hates’ another group on average in that study, they are still favorable, but just less favorable. If you looked under the averages though you would find a probability distribution. For instance a group that rates itself as 80 and rates another as 60 might have a large majority that rates both groups as 80 and a minority that rates the other as 0.