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Depends on what you means by "cares" Cares, like will bend over backwards to prevent any possible perceived insult? No, that's not reasonable. We don't need to

Depends on what you means by "cares" Cares, like will bend over backwards to prevent any possible perceived insult? No, that's not reasonable. We don't need to revamp our language. Intent, not language, should be the focus. For example master and slave are perfectly fine terms for the relationship between pieces of hardware or software. No actual slave in this world would care. No actual person descended from slaves should care. If someone is truly insulted by language and not intent they need to grow up. Cares, like makes reasonable accommodations, sure. That's what handicap parking places are about. That's why there's ramps on sidewalks in cities. That's why there's a push for accessibility in software for colour blind people.

trs8080 4y ago
> If someone is truly insulted by language and not intent they need to grow up. Spoken like someone who's never had to hear a slur about them in a joke. "But I was just joking!" - oh, then it's okay? Maybe the person using slurs should grow up? In the article, the author specifically discusses a case when a new hire used a pejorative. Intent doesn't matter. What you say and do matters. "Well I just wanted to get home safe and to bed" isn't a good defense when you get into an accident while drunk driving.
- kleer001 4y ago
  > Spoken like someone who's never had to hear a slur about them in a joke. "Personal argumentation on the internet is the bastion of the shallow." ~ Me I cannot prove over this medium if I had experienced that or not. You cannot verify either way. Your use of this argument saddens me. You could have just left it out and strengthened your apparent position. > Intent doesn't matter. Mens Rea doesn't matter? There's more than a few hundred years and dozens of generations of judges and lawyers from around the world that would like to have a word with you.
  - trs8080 4y ago
    > "Personal argumentation on the internet is the bastion of the shallow." ~ Me If you believed what you're saying above, then why respond? Also, you don't need to quote yourself; you can just write the sentence. > I cannot prove over this medium if I had experienced that or not. You cannot verify either way. Your use of this argument saddens me. You could have just left it out and strengthened your apparent position. It was rhetorical. Someone who's actually experienced this doesn't take the attitude you're taking. > Mens Rea doesn't matter? There's more than a few hundred years and dozens of generations of judges and lawyers from around the world that would like to have a word with you. I'm talking about racist jokes and being a decent human being, not legal precedent.
benlivengood 4y ago
> Intent, not language, should be the focus. Changing the language with good intentions isn't a problem if intent should be the focus instead of language. What is not ok is demanding that people be mind-readers and pull the "good intent" out of the people's heads who use harmful language widely identified as unacceptable. Language changes over time, except for dead languages.
- kleer001 4y ago
  > ... good intentions isn't a problem The road to hell is paved with good intentions. > harmful language No such thing.

trs8080 4y ago

> If someone is truly insulted by language and not intent they need to grow up. Spoken like someone who's never had to hear a slur about them in a joke. "But I was just joking!" - oh, then it's okay? Maybe the person using slurs should grow up? In the article, the author specifically discusses a case when a new hire used a pejorative. Intent doesn't matter. What you say and do matters. "Well I just wanted to get home safe and to bed" isn't a good defense when you get into an accident while drunk driving.

kleer001 4y ago
> Spoken like someone who's never had to hear a slur about them in a joke. "Personal argumentation on the internet is the bastion of the shallow." ~ Me I cannot prove over this medium if I had experienced that or not. You cannot verify either way. Your use of this argument saddens me. You could have just left it out and strengthened your apparent position. > Intent doesn't matter. Mens Rea doesn't matter? There's more than a few hundred years and dozens of generations of judges and lawyers from around the world that would like to have a word with you.
- trs8080 4y ago
  > "Personal argumentation on the internet is the bastion of the shallow." ~ Me If you believed what you're saying above, then why respond? Also, you don't need to quote yourself; you can just write the sentence. > I cannot prove over this medium if I had experienced that or not. You cannot verify either way. Your use of this argument saddens me. You could have just left it out and strengthened your apparent position. It was rhetorical. Someone who's actually experienced this doesn't take the attitude you're taking. > Mens Rea doesn't matter? There's more than a few hundred years and dozens of generations of judges and lawyers from around the world that would like to have a word with you. I'm talking about racist jokes and being a decent human being, not legal precedent.

benlivengood 4y ago

> Intent, not language, should be the focus. Changing the language with good intentions isn't a problem if intent should be the focus instead of language. What is not ok is demanding that people be mind-readers and pull the "good intent" out of the people's heads who use harmful language widely identified as unacceptable. Language changes over time, except for dead languages.

kleer001 4y ago
> ... good intentions isn't a problem The road to hell is paved with good intentions. > harmful language No such thing.