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I have met people multiple times who will call someone the opposite of whatever's on their pronoun pin (if they have one) Even to cis people.

ThePadawan 4y ago
Could you please specify the country, so I don't accidentally move there?
- Shared404 4y ago
  Texas unfortunately. Doesn't happen all the time or everywhere, but I've seen people brag about doing this.
  - ThePadawan 4y ago
    Thank you! I find it personally helpful to get points of data like this. Living in Switzerland, the cultural standards are sometimes astonishingly different between countries (e.g. I still regularly see job application forms that require both a headshot of the candidate and a date of birth).
    - mcguire 4y ago
      Well, yeah, but that's so you don't hire someone unattractive, or worse the wrong kind of person.
      - ThePadawan 4y ago
        Sometimes, when I can tell during a hiring process that it's just not working out, I do ask companies why they ask for a photo and a date of birth. The answers generally are: - "We've always done it this way" - Well sorry to hear that, but that's not a reason - "Everybody does it this way" - Well, I'm a candidate and I can tell you that no, only 10% of companies are doing it this way - "We want to get a first impression of the person before we invest time to look at them closer" - The first step in your application process is a 15min call with an HR person. Do you really need a step before that to reject someone based on age or ethnicity or gender? So far, no one has reacted with any kind of understanding.
- jmugan 4y ago
  As a counterpoint, I live in Texas and I have never seen this.
  - ThePadawan 4y ago
    Thank you!
  - Shared404 4y ago
    It's a big place. While I'll readily admit I don't like a lot of the political environment here, there are also a _lot_ of amazing people and places.
corrral 4y ago
> their pronoun pin That's... a new one for me. Ah, they're all over Etsy—if anyone else was thrown by that, they're exactly what your first guess would be based on the name: a big round pin with your preferred pronouns printed on it. Interesting.
a1369209993 4y ago
> the opposite of whatever's on their pronoun pin Well, yes, obviously? They have a pronoun pin. That's not a matter of disrespecting that person (as you note, we do it to everyone); it's a matter of disrespecting pronoun pins on principle.
- Shared404 4y ago
  "Well how was I supposed to know your pronouns?" "Well, pronoun pins are dumb" Pick one.
- mcguire 4y ago
  "That's not a matter of disrespecting that person; it's a matter of disrespecting pronoun pins on principle." Pardon me, but what? You expect the persons wearing the pin to not feel disrespected? Or that the pin will be emotionally damaged by the disrespect?
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ThePadawan 4y ago

Could you please specify the country, so I don't accidentally move there?

Shared404 4y ago
Texas unfortunately. Doesn't happen all the time or everywhere, but I've seen people brag about doing this.
- ThePadawan 4y ago
  Thank you! I find it personally helpful to get points of data like this. Living in Switzerland, the cultural standards are sometimes astonishingly different between countries (e.g. I still regularly see job application forms that require both a headshot of the candidate and a date of birth).
  - mcguire 4y ago
    Well, yeah, but that's so you don't hire someone unattractive, or worse the wrong kind of person.
    - ThePadawan 4y ago
      Sometimes, when I can tell during a hiring process that it's just not working out, I do ask companies why they ask for a photo and a date of birth. The answers generally are: - "We've always done it this way" - Well sorry to hear that, but that's not a reason - "Everybody does it this way" - Well, I'm a candidate and I can tell you that no, only 10% of companies are doing it this way - "We want to get a first impression of the person before we invest time to look at them closer" - The first step in your application process is a 15min call with an HR person. Do you really need a step before that to reject someone based on age or ethnicity or gender? So far, no one has reacted with any kind of understanding.
jmugan 4y ago
As a counterpoint, I live in Texas and I have never seen this.
- ThePadawan 4y ago
  Thank you!
- Shared404 4y ago
  It's a big place. While I'll readily admit I don't like a lot of the political environment here, there are also a _lot_ of amazing people and places.

corrral 4y ago

> their pronoun pin That's... a new one for me. Ah, they're all over Etsy—if anyone else was thrown by that, they're exactly what your first guess would be based on the name: a big round pin with your preferred pronouns printed on it. Interesting.

a1369209993 4y ago

> the opposite of whatever's on their pronoun pin Well, yes, obviously? They have a pronoun pin. That's not a matter of disrespecting that person (as you note, we do it to everyone); it's a matter of disrespecting pronoun pins on principle.

Shared404 4y ago
"Well how was I supposed to know your pronouns?" "Well, pronoun pins are dumb" Pick one.
mcguire 4y ago
"That's not a matter of disrespecting that person; it's a matter of disrespecting pronoun pins on principle." Pardon me, but what? You expect the persons wearing the pin to not feel disrespected? Or that the pin will be emotionally damaged by the disrespect?
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