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> I wonder how many people who are seemingly willing to believe the self-serving CCP party-line on this Which of the paper's authors do you believe are beholde

> I wonder how many people who are seemingly willing to believe the self-serving CCP party-line on this Which of the paper's authors do you believe are beholden to the "self-serving CCP party-line"? Do you see flaws in the paper's analysis, or are you perhaps employing a thought-terminating cliche?

ARandomerDude 4y ago
Your comment is orthogonal to the parent's comment and there's no reason to assign malice to the commenter. It's quite plausible that the CCP is lying and the paper authors are honest about their findings. The problem is the analysis is only as good as the inputs. From the article: > "Chinese government notified the World Health Organization (WHO) of an outbreak of severe pneumonia of unknown etiology in Wuhan...after careful examination of reported case histories..." Note that: 1. The CCP claims the virus was unknown to them. 2. The CCP is in charge of what case histories are analyzed, and can carefully select those which point away from the lab leak.
tgv 4y ago
I don't know to what degree there's truth in it, but Marion Koopmans has been in hot waters over her connections to the Chinese government. Last year, she has also publicly stated that the search started too late, and that they have negotiated about the outcome with the Chinese government (e.g., https://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2021/03/30/een-goed-resultaat-a4037915?t=1658941109 https://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2021/03/30/een-goed-resultaat-a403..., paywalled).
ElectronCharge 4y ago
Given that the existence of the lab is public knowledge, the paper could have at least acknowledged that the market was also a perfect site to distribute the virus intentionally. This paper proves nothing beyond that there was a spatial relationship between the market and some of the initial cases. It wouldn’t have been hard for the CCP to discretely put some CV-19 distribution devices in the market, if the virus was released on purpose.

ARandomerDude 4y ago

Your comment is orthogonal to the parent's comment and there's no reason to assign malice to the commenter. It's quite plausible that the CCP is lying and the paper authors are honest about their findings. The problem is the analysis is only as good as the inputs. From the article: > "Chinese government notified the World Health Organization (WHO) of an outbreak of severe pneumonia of unknown etiology in Wuhan...after careful examination of reported case histories..." Note that: 1. The CCP claims the virus was unknown to them. 2. The CCP is in charge of what case histories are analyzed, and can carefully select those which point away from the lab leak.

tgv 4y ago

I don't know to what degree there's truth in it, but Marion Koopmans has been in hot waters over her connections to the Chinese government. Last year, she has also publicly stated that the search started too late, and that they have negotiated about the outcome with the Chinese government (e.g., https://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2021/03/30/een-goed-resultaat-a4037915?t=1658941109 https://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2021/03/30/een-goed-resultaat-a403..., paywalled).

ElectronCharge 4y ago

Given that the existence of the lab is public knowledge, the paper could have at least acknowledged that the market was also a perfect site to distribute the virus intentionally. This paper proves nothing beyond that there was a spatial relationship between the market and some of the initial cases. It wouldn’t have been hard for the CCP to discretely put some CV-19 distribution devices in the market, if the virus was released on purpose.