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But the point of the autopilot system is that there doesn't need to be a driver right? So here you are saying, "Hey, we have this great system that is such a b

But the point of the autopilot system is that there doesn't need to be a driver right? So here you are saying, "Hey, we have this great system that is such a better diver than the human. Here are the statistics that show it." and then turning around and saying "Hey human, why were you not a better driver. You need to be paying attention." A bit of wanting to have your cake and eat it too, isn't it?

ck2 4y ago
"autopilot" is just a marketing term for the next decade, it's not fully automatic, it's actually "computer aided driving" (where driving is the human) but that description isn't sexy enough to sell
- themaninthedark 4y ago
  The GGP talks about "something like autopilot" acceptance and the eventual goal of the system is to cut the human driver out. GP is talking about insurance and how we regulate drivers, stating that we should be looking at the same for autopilot systems. Parent says "Always prosecute the driver. There's no such thing as "the car did it"." At what point does the "autopilot" have any skin in the game so to speak? Is it a binary thing, one day we wake up to an update and the cars can drive themselves with no input? Or will will be forever stuck in a quasi beta test, where the driver is liable for the actions of the system but has no meaningful way for controlling the system(autopilot) or even knowing how the system operates. You can't have it both ways. Either the system is better than people and is going to take responsibility or it isn't. No one will accept a system they have no control over and do not understand but have to accept liability for.
  - ck2 4y ago
    There may come a day where someone is truly the passenger in the driver's seat in a car, like a person riding a bus. Today is not that day. Nor is it next year. Or this decade. A whole lot of people are going to die this decade, both drivers and victims hit, because marketing wants people to believe you don't have to pay attention once you turn it on rather it's an assist, not a replacement, for the driver. It's not autopilot right now. It's driver assist. As long as the driver exists, the driver is responsible. In an "old school" car, if an accelerator gets stuck and you mow someone down, then they find spaghetti code in the accelerator or it mechanically got stuck from design failure, you still have liability for killing someone but your prosecution won't be the same as someone who purposely drove over someone they were angry with.
drcongo 4y ago
The parent comment didn't mention wanting "autopilot" at all. Actually, as I type this, I'm wondering if your comment was unintentionally posted as a reply to the parent?
- themaninthedark 4y ago
  GGP talked about autopilot acceptance GP is talking about holding Tesla responsible the same way we do with drivers ala insurance and regulation Parent says to only hold driver responsible So while the parent did not mention autopilot per se, the comment can only be interpreted in the context of talking about autopilot/ like systems. Otherwise, "Always prosecute the driver." does not make sense. That is the only option when you are talking about standard accident investigations(baring manufacturer defects e.g. faulty ignition switch, rollover/tires, sticky/abnormal acceleration pedals), nothing else in a standard car has ahem autonomy.

ck2 4y ago

"autopilot" is just a marketing term for the next decade, it's not fully automatic, it's actually "computer aided driving" (where driving is the human) but that description isn't sexy enough to sell

themaninthedark 4y ago
The GGP talks about "something like autopilot" acceptance and the eventual goal of the system is to cut the human driver out. GP is talking about insurance and how we regulate drivers, stating that we should be looking at the same for autopilot systems. Parent says "Always prosecute the driver. There's no such thing as "the car did it"." At what point does the "autopilot" have any skin in the game so to speak? Is it a binary thing, one day we wake up to an update and the cars can drive themselves with no input? Or will will be forever stuck in a quasi beta test, where the driver is liable for the actions of the system but has no meaningful way for controlling the system(autopilot) or even knowing how the system operates. You can't have it both ways. Either the system is better than people and is going to take responsibility or it isn't. No one will accept a system they have no control over and do not understand but have to accept liability for.
- ck2 4y ago
  There may come a day where someone is truly the passenger in the driver's seat in a car, like a person riding a bus. Today is not that day. Nor is it next year. Or this decade. A whole lot of people are going to die this decade, both drivers and victims hit, because marketing wants people to believe you don't have to pay attention once you turn it on rather it's an assist, not a replacement, for the driver. It's not autopilot right now. It's driver assist. As long as the driver exists, the driver is responsible. In an "old school" car, if an accelerator gets stuck and you mow someone down, then they find spaghetti code in the accelerator or it mechanically got stuck from design failure, you still have liability for killing someone but your prosecution won't be the same as someone who purposely drove over someone they were angry with.

drcongo 4y ago

The parent comment didn't mention wanting "autopilot" at all. Actually, as I type this, I'm wondering if your comment was unintentionally posted as a reply to the parent?

themaninthedark 4y ago
GGP talked about autopilot acceptance GP is talking about holding Tesla responsible the same way we do with drivers ala insurance and regulation Parent says to only hold driver responsible So while the parent did not mention autopilot per se, the comment can only be interpreted in the context of talking about autopilot/ like systems. Otherwise, "Always prosecute the driver." does not make sense. That is the only option when you are talking about standard accident investigations(baring manufacturer defects e.g. faulty ignition switch, rollover/tires, sticky/abnormal acceleration pedals), nothing else in a standard car has ahem autonomy.