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> Please FF is the only place still not under the Chromium dictates, please save Firefox Mozilla. There is WebKit! The only other remaining browser-engine hel

> Please FF is the only place still not under the Chromium dictates, please save Firefox Mozilla. There is WebKit! The only other remaining browser-engine held by WebKitGtk and Apple. WebKitGtk is used by many applications which use Gtk and the official web browser of GNOME, Epiphany. And as built-in engine by Apple on iOS and MacOS. Despite rumors, there is still a Qt5-Port used by Otter-Browser. I would be happy to see a full integration of WebRTC in Epiphany. Luckily we will see soon support for WebExtensions.

politelemon 4y ago
Unfortunately the WebKit implementation in iOS is a rehash, even worse, of the IE days. So I definitely wouldn't call it WebKit or an alternate choice(Except it's Apple so for some bizarre reason it gets a free pass on HN). The original comment is still effectively correct in spirit, Firefox is the only browser not under "hostage".
- ho_schi 4y ago
  I can only tell you about my personal impressions: * Google has a lot power. Many Web-developers seem to think that "Chrome is correct" and other engines must behave the same. I'm questioning this. * Apple locks-down their devices. This is not acceptable, because the customers are the owners of these devices. As a side-effect - this prevents a complete dominance of Google's Blink Engine. * Google is pressing on every user of their website "Install the Google Search App", "Install Google Chrome" and especially annoying on iOS is Google Maps which constantly tries open the App-Store (somewhat also Apples fault?) * Finally Microsoft Teams allows using their website only with Edge (Blink) or Chrome (the original UI for Blink). So we're back in 2001?] * Opera, Trident and KHTML no longer maintained. * Other than WebKit the Gecko-Engine seems not be used often as integratable engine. There was Galeon but replaced by Epiphany.

politelemon 4y ago

Unfortunately the WebKit implementation in iOS is a rehash, even worse, of the IE days. So I definitely wouldn't call it WebKit or an alternate choice(Except it's Apple so for some bizarre reason it gets a free pass on HN). The original comment is still effectively correct in spirit, Firefox is the only browser not under "hostage".

ho_schi 4y ago
I can only tell you about my personal impressions: * Google has a lot power. Many Web-developers seem to think that "Chrome is correct" and other engines must behave the same. I'm questioning this. * Apple locks-down their devices. This is not acceptable, because the customers are the owners of these devices. As a side-effect - this prevents a complete dominance of Google's Blink Engine. * Google is pressing on every user of their website "Install the Google Search App", "Install Google Chrome" and especially annoying on iOS is Google Maps which constantly tries open the App-Store (somewhat also Apples fault?) * Finally Microsoft Teams allows using their website only with Edge (Blink) or Chrome (the original UI for Blink). So we're back in 2001?] * Opera, Trident and KHTML no longer maintained. * Other than WebKit the Gecko-Engine seems not be used often as integratable engine. There was Galeon but replaced by Epiphany.