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The same visual analysis, when showing the location of the lab, could lead to other conclusions. Here’s a link to that, if we’re open to differing perspectives

The same visual analysis, when showing the location of the lab, could lead to other conclusions. Here’s a link to that, if we’re open to differing perspectives. https://igorchudov.substack.com/p/lie-exposed-bbc-says-covid-19-came?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email https://igorchudov.substack.com/p/lie-exposed-bbc-says-covid...

fakethenews2022 4y ago
No it doesn't lead to different conclusions. The lower right one is where the bat experiments were conducted rather than the one in the middle. That is far from the epicenter. If people would actually read and digest the article before spewing out their own biases, then you would see that the article addressed this very contention. The article pointed out several facts. One was that there were two strains already. Having that come from the virology institute doesn't make sense. It makes more sense if the virus was spreading and mutating amongst the animals in the market. Second, is charting the concentration of early spread. Again, the market was the epicenter. Third is looking more closely at that and seeing this same epicenter pattern in a specific part of the market. This again points to the market being the epicenter. Fourth, there is no such pattern of infection around the virology institute that was conducting the bat virus research.
AlanYx 4y ago
Just to add to this, in the linked paper by Worobey et. al., Fig 2(B) shows something they label as "Centroid of Blue Cases". That centroid appears to be almost squarely on the location of the Wuhan Institute of Infectious Diseases. For some reason, neither the locations of the Wuhan Institute of Infectious Diseases or the Wuhan Institute of Virology are mentioned in the linked paper.
- anigbrowl 4y ago
  This is correct, but the paper does observe that these second-stage cases (mostly reported around January and February) occur in an area of high density housing with a preponderance of elderly people.
  - AlanYx 4y ago
    Are you referring to the linked paper or something else? As far as I can tell (the writing style is not very clear IMHO), the Fig 2(B) blue cases are not second-stage cases, but rather a plot of "cases with no known link to the market". As for your second point, I don't see any discussion in the paper that this cluster "occur[s] in an area of high density housing with a preponderance of elderly people". Where are you seeing this?
    - anigbrowl 4y ago
      Of course I'm referring to the linked paper. If you are not seeing such discussion perhaps you should read it more slowly. It's early in the Results section. The clustering of COVID-19 cases in December around the Huanan market (Fig. 1, B and C, insets) contrasts with the pattern of widely dispersed cases across Wuhan by early January through mid-February 2020 (Fig. 1, D and E), which we mapped using location data from individuals using a COVID-19 assistance app on Sina Weibo (26). Weibo-based data analyses show that, unlike early COVID-19 cases, by January and February many of the sick who sought help resided in highly populated areas of the city, and particularly in areas with a high density of older people (Fig. 1E and figs. S9 and S10).
      - AlanYx 4y ago
        Sorry, I'm not understanding how what you're quoting there relates to Fig. 2(B). That's a reference to a separate Weibo-based data analysis that has no link at all to Fig. 2(B).
        anigbrowl 4y ago
        It's not my job to read the paper and look at the figures for you. Try putting the maps side by side and realizing they show the same geographic area. Fig 2B is an exemplar, as is clear from the description: 'Schematic showing how cases can be near to, but not centered on, a specific location.'
        4y ago
neuronexmachina 4y ago
Other posts from the same author, to help evaluate their overall credibility: * "Sars-Cov-2 was Lab Made Under Project DEFUSE" * "Was Sars-Cov-2 DESIGNED to Spawn so Many Variants?" * "Vaccine Shedding Finally Proven!" * ""COVID Vaccine Technology" will Make Varroa Mites Infertile" * "Boosters Now PROMOTE Covid Deaths in Europe" * "Developmental Disorders in Babies born to Vaccinated Mothers?"
- AlanYx 4y ago
  That author is probably a crank, but the particular image he's critiquing is Fig. 1(a) of the linked paper (reproduced by the BBC), and the locations of both Wuhan institutes are not wrong.
- flybrand 4y ago
  > On HN, we go by article quality, not site quality

fakethenews2022 4y ago

No it doesn't lead to different conclusions. The lower right one is where the bat experiments were conducted rather than the one in the middle. That is far from the epicenter. If people would actually read and digest the article before spewing out their own biases, then you would see that the article addressed this very contention. The article pointed out several facts. One was that there were two strains already. Having that come from the virology institute doesn't make sense. It makes more sense if the virus was spreading and mutating amongst the animals in the market. Second, is charting the concentration of early spread. Again, the market was the epicenter. Third is looking more closely at that and seeing this same epicenter pattern in a specific part of the market. This again points to the market being the epicenter. Fourth, there is no such pattern of infection around the virology institute that was conducting the bat virus research.

AlanYx 4y ago

Just to add to this, in the linked paper by Worobey et. al., Fig 2(B) shows something they label as "Centroid of Blue Cases". That centroid appears to be almost squarely on the location of the Wuhan Institute of Infectious Diseases. For some reason, neither the locations of the Wuhan Institute of Infectious Diseases or the Wuhan Institute of Virology are mentioned in the linked paper.

anigbrowl 4y ago
This is correct, but the paper does observe that these second-stage cases (mostly reported around January and February) occur in an area of high density housing with a preponderance of elderly people.
- AlanYx 4y ago
  Are you referring to the linked paper or something else? As far as I can tell (the writing style is not very clear IMHO), the Fig 2(B) blue cases are not second-stage cases, but rather a plot of "cases with no known link to the market". As for your second point, I don't see any discussion in the paper that this cluster "occur[s] in an area of high density housing with a preponderance of elderly people". Where are you seeing this?
  - anigbrowl 4y ago
    Of course I'm referring to the linked paper. If you are not seeing such discussion perhaps you should read it more slowly. It's early in the Results section. The clustering of COVID-19 cases in December around the Huanan market (Fig. 1, B and C, insets) contrasts with the pattern of widely dispersed cases across Wuhan by early January through mid-February 2020 (Fig. 1, D and E), which we mapped using location data from individuals using a COVID-19 assistance app on Sina Weibo (26). Weibo-based data analyses show that, unlike early COVID-19 cases, by January and February many of the sick who sought help resided in highly populated areas of the city, and particularly in areas with a high density of older people (Fig. 1E and figs. S9 and S10).
    - AlanYx 4y ago
      Sorry, I'm not understanding how what you're quoting there relates to Fig. 2(B). That's a reference to a separate Weibo-based data analysis that has no link at all to Fig. 2(B).
      - anigbrowl 4y ago
        It's not my job to read the paper and look at the figures for you. Try putting the maps side by side and realizing they show the same geographic area. Fig 2B is an exemplar, as is clear from the description: 'Schematic showing how cases can be near to, but not centered on, a specific location.'
        4y ago

neuronexmachina 4y ago

Other posts from the same author, to help evaluate their overall credibility: * "Sars-Cov-2 was Lab Made Under Project DEFUSE" * "Was Sars-Cov-2 DESIGNED to Spawn so Many Variants?" * "Vaccine Shedding Finally Proven!" * ""COVID Vaccine Technology" will Make Varroa Mites Infertile" * "Boosters Now PROMOTE Covid Deaths in Europe" * "Developmental Disorders in Babies born to Vaccinated Mothers?"

AlanYx 4y ago
That author is probably a crank, but the particular image he's critiquing is Fig. 1(a) of the linked paper (reproduced by the BBC), and the locations of both Wuhan institutes are not wrong.
flybrand 4y ago
> On HN, we go by article quality, not site quality