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Why are you arguing with me? I didn't write the article. I'm not advocating a position in re: schools and the closure thereof.

credit_guy 4y ago
> I'm not advocating a position Oh, but you do. As soon as you propose a comparison and adorn the left side of it with a very visceral image, and leave the other side without any epithets. Just take a look, with the offending part italicized by me: > Mrs. X dies in agony drowning in her own dissolving lung tissue - vs. -Young child misses two years of convenient daycare.
- carapace 4y ago
  You left out the half of the sentence that qualifies what kind of position I'm not taking: > I'm not advocating a position in re: schools and the closure thereof. You seemed to me to be responding above to a position "Keeping the schools closed" that I am not advocating. - - - - > As soon as you propose a comparison... I'm not proposing it, I am describing what the author wrote, using other words. The author says "the value of life-years saved by COVID prevention is small compared to the value of reduced quality of life-years caused by this prevention", and I'm re-phasing that to point out that this is not a simple economic trade-off (the author is a Professor of Economics at George Mason University.) > leave the other side without any epithets Again, it's the author of TFA that is saying that school is mostly just "convenient daycare". > a very visceral image Yeah, I'm trying to emphasize the point. > the offending part italicized That's a description of how Covid kills you. I'm not sure how it's offending you. I'm not trying to be offensive. To me it seems you could call it "offensive" in that it's a horrible way to die, eh? Anyway, I hope this clears things up. I'm not interested in serving as some kind of proxy for the authors opinion, eh? If you want to debate my characterization of what the author is saying that's cool, but I'm not arguing with you about school closures.
  - credit_guy 4y ago
    I said "offending", not "offensive". You think you just added an impartial characterization to one part of the comparison, but it's not impartial. Here, let me play the same game: Mrs. X who refuses to get vaccinated dies of Covid vs abysmal education for tens of millions of American school-aged children and reduced convenience for them and their families. Am I impartial? And just to declare upfront my own biases. I have school-aged children, and they go to public school. Fortunately, their school opened early to as much a degree the Department of Education would allow (i.e. initially 2 days per week, later 2.5, later 5 but back to remote as soon as one kid had Covid, etc). For that I'm thankful. I wish more families had my luck, but I know that many, many families did not. I also have a high risk mom (cancer survivor). I advised her to get vaccinated as soon as possible, and she did.
    - carapace 4y ago
      > I said "offending", not "offensive". Those are conjugates of the same word. What is your actual point? > you just added an impartial characterization Is it accurate or inaccurate characterization of TFA? Can we talk about that? Do you think I misunderstood what the author is trying to say? > but it's not impartial Yeah, I said up front that I'm biased against the "sacrifice the oldies for the sake of the economy" meme. I'm also biased against stupidity, which is to say that the author seems stupid to me. > Here, let me play the same game I'm not playing a game, and I know what I wrote. > Mrs. X who refuses to get vaccinated... I never mentioned getting or refusing to be vaccinated. That's all you. > ...dies of Covid... See, that's a euphemism. It's not a tidy, peaceful death. It's "dies in agony drowning in her own dissolving lung tissue" like I said. I'm not employing some rhetorical device, it's a simple plain English description of how Covid kills you. > abysmal education for tens of millions of American school-aged children Now there is something we could talk about. But first let me point out that that's not what the author of the piece was saying. He wrote, > But since most adults retain almost no academic knowledge, I’m skeptical of the long-term harm [of school closures]. Instead, I rest my case on the indubitable fact that in-person school provides invaluable daycare. He's not talking about the harms that lockdowns did to children, in fact he discounts them. When I wrote "Young child misses two years of convenient daycare" I wasn't impartial, I'm describing the author's stance (which, as I said, is stupid IMO, I'm biased against it.) Your rewording misrepresents the author's argument. - - - - Anyhow, I personally have had a low opinion of public school ever since I was made to attend as a child. It seems to me that the US education system is a sick joke, and that "abysmal education for tens of millions of American school-aged children" is the norm anyway, long before the school closings. I think we should overhaul the whole system, and I while we're at it think we should look to making schools less of a disease vector. Covid won't be the last virus, eh? If you want to argue about the state of the US school system, I'm "game" to do that. I got strong opinions and I'm willing to share. If you want to argue about school closings vs. whatever I'm not your guy. You may have heard of the recent San Francisco school board members recall? We threw out three of our top administrators. Just FYI, I voted to recall them, in part due to their poor handling of school re-opening. I hope that helps you understand that I'm not on "the other side"? We're all in this together. Humanity vs. the virus, eh? Have a good day. https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/16/politics/san-francisco-school-board-members-recall-election/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/16/politics/san-francisco-school... P.S. Last but not least, God bless you and your kids and mom. I'm glad we talked this out. It's clear to me now that you are not one of these "mom should die so the kids can go back to school" folks and I really appreciate that. Take care, and well met.

credit_guy 4y ago

> I'm not advocating a position Oh, but you do. As soon as you propose a comparison and adorn the left side of it with a very visceral image, and leave the other side without any epithets. Just take a look, with the offending part italicized by me: > Mrs. X dies in agony drowning in her own dissolving lung tissue - vs. -Young child misses two years of convenient daycare.

carapace 4y ago
You left out the half of the sentence that qualifies what kind of position I'm not taking: > I'm not advocating a position in re: schools and the closure thereof. You seemed to me to be responding above to a position "Keeping the schools closed" that I am not advocating. - - - - > As soon as you propose a comparison... I'm not proposing it, I am describing what the author wrote, using other words. The author says "the value of life-years saved by COVID prevention is small compared to the value of reduced quality of life-years caused by this prevention", and I'm re-phasing that to point out that this is not a simple economic trade-off (the author is a Professor of Economics at George Mason University.) > leave the other side without any epithets Again, it's the author of TFA that is saying that school is mostly just "convenient daycare". > a very visceral image Yeah, I'm trying to emphasize the point. > the offending part italicized That's a description of how Covid kills you. I'm not sure how it's offending you. I'm not trying to be offensive. To me it seems you could call it "offensive" in that it's a horrible way to die, eh? Anyway, I hope this clears things up. I'm not interested in serving as some kind of proxy for the authors opinion, eh? If you want to debate my characterization of what the author is saying that's cool, but I'm not arguing with you about school closures.
- credit_guy 4y ago
  I said "offending", not "offensive". You think you just added an impartial characterization to one part of the comparison, but it's not impartial. Here, let me play the same game: Mrs. X who refuses to get vaccinated dies of Covid vs abysmal education for tens of millions of American school-aged children and reduced convenience for them and their families. Am I impartial? And just to declare upfront my own biases. I have school-aged children, and they go to public school. Fortunately, their school opened early to as much a degree the Department of Education would allow (i.e. initially 2 days per week, later 2.5, later 5 but back to remote as soon as one kid had Covid, etc). For that I'm thankful. I wish more families had my luck, but I know that many, many families did not. I also have a high risk mom (cancer survivor). I advised her to get vaccinated as soon as possible, and she did.
  - carapace 4y ago
    > I said "offending", not "offensive". Those are conjugates of the same word. What is your actual point? > you just added an impartial characterization Is it accurate or inaccurate characterization of TFA? Can we talk about that? Do you think I misunderstood what the author is trying to say? > but it's not impartial Yeah, I said up front that I'm biased against the "sacrifice the oldies for the sake of the economy" meme. I'm also biased against stupidity, which is to say that the author seems stupid to me. > Here, let me play the same game I'm not playing a game, and I know what I wrote. > Mrs. X who refuses to get vaccinated... I never mentioned getting or refusing to be vaccinated. That's all you. > ...dies of Covid... See, that's a euphemism. It's not a tidy, peaceful death. It's "dies in agony drowning in her own dissolving lung tissue" like I said. I'm not employing some rhetorical device, it's a simple plain English description of how Covid kills you. > abysmal education for tens of millions of American school-aged children Now there is something we could talk about. But first let me point out that that's not what the author of the piece was saying. He wrote, > But since most adults retain almost no academic knowledge, I’m skeptical of the long-term harm [of school closures]. Instead, I rest my case on the indubitable fact that in-person school provides invaluable daycare. He's not talking about the harms that lockdowns did to children, in fact he discounts them. When I wrote "Young child misses two years of convenient daycare" I wasn't impartial, I'm describing the author's stance (which, as I said, is stupid IMO, I'm biased against it.) Your rewording misrepresents the author's argument. - - - - Anyhow, I personally have had a low opinion of public school ever since I was made to attend as a child. It seems to me that the US education system is a sick joke, and that "abysmal education for tens of millions of American school-aged children" is the norm anyway, long before the school closings. I think we should overhaul the whole system, and I while we're at it think we should look to making schools less of a disease vector. Covid won't be the last virus, eh? If you want to argue about the state of the US school system, I'm "game" to do that. I got strong opinions and I'm willing to share. If you want to argue about school closings vs. whatever I'm not your guy. You may have heard of the recent San Francisco school board members recall? We threw out three of our top administrators. Just FYI, I voted to recall them, in part due to their poor handling of school re-opening. I hope that helps you understand that I'm not on "the other side"? We're all in this together. Humanity vs. the virus, eh? Have a good day. https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/16/politics/san-francisco-school-board-members-recall-election/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/16/politics/san-francisco-school... P.S. Last but not least, God bless you and your kids and mom. I'm glad we talked this out. It's clear to me now that you are not one of these "mom should die so the kids can go back to school" folks and I really appreciate that. Take care, and well met.