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I can’t seem to find the direct link, but I remember when the state of Illinois created a program to give these out for free Recall at the time I mentioned to

I can’t seem to find the direct link, but I remember when the state of Illinois created a program to give these out for free Recall at the time I mentioned to friends… I bet police get direct access and within 5 years, here we are lol Many utility companies still do https://themoneyninja.com/free-google-nest-thermostat/ https://themoneyninja.com/free-google-nest-thermostat/

tdub311 4y ago
Do the thermostats have cameras in them?
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- elil17 4y ago
  They have occupancy sensors (not cameras), but those can still be used for surveillance.
  - entropie 4y ago
    Iam not sure. That means that it has to log every triggered sensor. I only have nest protect (stove heating) with occupancy sensor/pathlight and I really dont think it will record motion events nor submit them later (while connected). Could be wrong.
    - hedora 4y ago
      The occupancy sensors include wifi and bluetooth.
    - elil17 4y ago
      For nest thermostats, they advertise that their cloud based algorithm uses your phone location and occupancy sensor data to switch between “home” and “away” set points, so they have to be sending the sensor readings to the cloud. From there I can’t understand why they wouldn’t log those.
core-utility 4y ago
I have no direct experience, but every time I see Illinois mentioned on commentary (HN, reddit, etc.) it's always surrounding corruption.
- solardev 4y ago
  FWIW, Illinois sometimes does crazy things the other way too. They banned facial recognition altogether, so Nest (and other cameras) can't offer the "familiar faces" feature, like to not alert you when a spouse comes home instead of a stranger. Facebook also paid me several hundred dollars because they were auto tagging faces for Illinois users.
- ocdtrekkie 4y ago
  Illinois actually has some of the strongest privacy legislation in the country. I got a $350 check from Facebook for running facial recognition on my photo without permission, and Google owes me a similar amount when it's class action gets approved. Check out the Illinois BIPA, it's the reason tech companies are trying to get federal privacy legislation that preempts state law.
- 999900000999 4y ago
  You haven't seen my comments praising Chicago ? The friendliest city I've ever lived, amazing public transit and where I met my first real girlfriend.

tdub311 4y ago

Do the thermostats have cameras in them?

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elil17 4y ago
They have occupancy sensors (not cameras), but those can still be used for surveillance.
- entropie 4y ago
  Iam not sure. That means that it has to log every triggered sensor. I only have nest protect (stove heating) with occupancy sensor/pathlight and I really dont think it will record motion events nor submit them later (while connected). Could be wrong.
  - hedora 4y ago
    The occupancy sensors include wifi and bluetooth.
  - elil17 4y ago
    For nest thermostats, they advertise that their cloud based algorithm uses your phone location and occupancy sensor data to switch between “home” and “away” set points, so they have to be sending the sensor readings to the cloud. From there I can’t understand why they wouldn’t log those.

core-utility 4y ago

I have no direct experience, but every time I see Illinois mentioned on commentary (HN, reddit, etc.) it's always surrounding corruption.

solardev 4y ago
FWIW, Illinois sometimes does crazy things the other way too. They banned facial recognition altogether, so Nest (and other cameras) can't offer the "familiar faces" feature, like to not alert you when a spouse comes home instead of a stranger. Facebook also paid me several hundred dollars because they were auto tagging faces for Illinois users.
ocdtrekkie 4y ago
Illinois actually has some of the strongest privacy legislation in the country. I got a $350 check from Facebook for running facial recognition on my photo without permission, and Google owes me a similar amount when it's class action gets approved. Check out the Illinois BIPA, it's the reason tech companies are trying to get federal privacy legislation that preempts state law.
999900000999 4y ago
You haven't seen my comments praising Chicago ? The friendliest city I've ever lived, amazing public transit and where I met my first real girlfriend.