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"Google will allow law enforcement to access data from its Nest products — or theoretically any other data you store with Google — without a warrant." At this

by mikece 4y ago

"Google will allow law enforcement to access data from its Nest products — or theoretically any other data you store with Google — without a warrant." At this point, what doesn't Google know or is unable to accurately infer about any given person on the internet?

freediver 4y ago
"Any" includes people who do not use Google and this is about 10% of online users. For them, a lot.
- hedora 4y ago
  They still have facial recognition feeds, car feeds, and they purchase data from third-party consumer surveillance firms, including credit card purchase histories for non-Google users. You don't need to have a Google account to be tracked by AdWords, and there's no practical opt-out, other than staying logged in all the time, and then being tracked in other ways, and agreeing to all sorts of things in their (ever-changing) EULA. https://epic.org/documents/google-purchase-tracking/ https://epic.org/documents/google-purchase-tracking/ I'm sure they have other programs I haven't heard of.
  - freediver 4y ago
    Sure, but not using Google for search, and having an ad-blocking browser circumvents 99% of that threat.
FollowingTheDao 4y ago
At this point I cannot believe that anyone in Tech would have a Google account being that they should know better. Anyone could be made to look guilty when the authorities have enough data. Adding this for the people who keep downvoting this: https://www.mintpressnews.com/national-security-search-engine-google-ranks-cia-agents/281490/ https://www.mintpressnews.com/national-security-search-engin... "Google – one of the largest and most influential organizations in the modern world – is filled with ex-CIA agents. Studying employment websites and databases, MintPress has ascertained that the Silicon Valley giant has recently hired dozens of professionals from the Central Intelligence Agency in recent years." We are imprisoned by our addiction to convenience. I am in the middle of dealing with this now, switching my services where I can: dumb phone, linux laptop, swisscows, openstreetmap and an old Garmin GPS, and just being OK with uncertainty.
- TedDoesntTalk 4y ago
  > old Garmin GPS I want this. Which model did you get and does it have up-to-date maps?
  - FollowingTheDao 4y ago
    I have Garmin Drive 51. Yes, up to date maps. The only PITA is that you need windows or MacOS to update the system and the maps. I have a windows clone I put on my laptop every few months to accomplish this.
    - orangepurple 4y ago
      Just use Osmand on an old smartphone without a SIM. It's less worse than old Garmins and map updates are constant. Keep your system clock accurate for fast GPS lock.
      - FollowingTheDao 4y ago
        That is a great idea. I have a Pixel 4a with GrapheneOS. I am an idiot for not thinking about just not putting my SIM in the phone.
        orangepurple 4y ago
        Phones without a SIM can also always call 911. Funnily enough Google Maps and Waze works without Google Play services. Just click past the modal that shows up very rarely complaining about it.

by mikece 4y ago

freediver 4y ago

"Any" includes people who do not use Google and this is about 10% of online users. For them, a lot.

hedora 4y ago
They still have facial recognition feeds, car feeds, and they purchase data from third-party consumer surveillance firms, including credit card purchase histories for non-Google users. You don't need to have a Google account to be tracked by AdWords, and there's no practical opt-out, other than staying logged in all the time, and then being tracked in other ways, and agreeing to all sorts of things in their (ever-changing) EULA. https://epic.org/documents/google-purchase-tracking/ https://epic.org/documents/google-purchase-tracking/ I'm sure they have other programs I haven't heard of.
- freediver 4y ago
  Sure, but not using Google for search, and having an ad-blocking browser circumvents 99% of that threat.

FollowingTheDao 4y ago

At this point I cannot believe that anyone in Tech would have a Google account being that they should know better. Anyone could be made to look guilty when the authorities have enough data. Adding this for the people who keep downvoting this: https://www.mintpressnews.com/national-security-search-engine-google-ranks-cia-agents/281490/ https://www.mintpressnews.com/national-security-search-engin... "Google – one of the largest and most influential organizations in the modern world – is filled with ex-CIA agents. Studying employment websites and databases, MintPress has ascertained that the Silicon Valley giant has recently hired dozens of professionals from the Central Intelligence Agency in recent years." We are imprisoned by our addiction to convenience. I am in the middle of dealing with this now, switching my services where I can: dumb phone, linux laptop, swisscows, openstreetmap and an old Garmin GPS, and just being OK with uncertainty.

TedDoesntTalk 4y ago
> old Garmin GPS I want this. Which model did you get and does it have up-to-date maps?
- FollowingTheDao 4y ago
  I have Garmin Drive 51. Yes, up to date maps. The only PITA is that you need windows or MacOS to update the system and the maps. I have a windows clone I put on my laptop every few months to accomplish this.
  - orangepurple 4y ago
    Just use Osmand on an old smartphone without a SIM. It's less worse than old Garmins and map updates are constant. Keep your system clock accurate for fast GPS lock.
    - FollowingTheDao 4y ago
      That is a great idea. I have a Pixel 4a with GrapheneOS. I am an idiot for not thinking about just not putting my SIM in the phone.
      - orangepurple 4y ago
        Phones without a SIM can also always call 911. Funnily enough Google Maps and Waze works without Google Play services. Just click past the modal that shows up very rarely complaining about it.