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> Signal is a stunning success. That is what those criticizing it disagrees with, at least in that area. It is not a stunning success at letting you communicat
by nadmone 4y ago
> Signal is a stunning success.
That is what those criticizing it disagrees with, at least in that area. It is not a stunning success at letting you communicate with someone without disclosing a phone number.
> If you or anyone does better I will cheer and yell about your success often.
And that is what people are criticizing about the ecosystem when they say that it is hard to run your own client or infrastructure.
> Firstly citation needed please.
Search "zero-click iMessage exploit" and pick your favorite source.
> Secondly, great, should they have been using email and pgp? Or google chat?
Most already do because Signal doesn't really cater to other use cases. When people say they want federation or different clients it is often because they want to replace things like e-mail.
- imwillofficial 4y ago“not a stunning success at letting you communicate with someone without disclosing a phone number.” Which it has NEVER claimed to do. The goalposts moved so fast my neck broke.
- nadmone 4y agoI didn't say it did. The post I replied to, which wasn't you, is arguing that Signal is successful. Therefor it is highly relevant whether it actually is. I don't know which goalpost you are talking about.
- imwillofficial 4y agoThe measurement of success. First it was R2-D2 (I meant E2e, but I like the auto correct so I’m leaving it) encryption, then easily exploited vulnerabilities, now somehow phone numbers got drawn in the mix. Basically you’re you’re shifting anytime you get pinned down and it shows.
- nadmone 4y agoNo, the phone numbers are in the second sentence of my first comment. The exploits are in the sentence after as an explanation to why it was bad to use phone numbers. And that is only one example to make it a reasoned argument. Other such points can be found in the video. I am happy to argue the points but don't make up some characterization. It wasn't "then", "now" or "shifting". I've made the same points all along.
- imwillofficial 4y agoThe topic at hand was not phone numbers and vulnerabilities. You bringing them into the argument doesn’t make it valid. Basically hijacking a discussion with irrelevant points that vaguely support your case is not valid. OP’s point, the article is incorrect because of the value brought by E2E encryption to the masses, then various debate on how that wasn’t such a big deal, or was done wrong. Phone numbers and iPhone zero days have nothing to do with the impact of Signal’s e2e.
- charadeyouare 4y agoCommunicating with someone without disclosing a phone number is a pretty important feature.
- qweqwerwerwerwr 4y ago