3 ms·

Genuinely curious: so why is XMPP not so popular outside of the hacker community?

nicoco 4y ago
I think that beside the scary name, not forcing 'apps' into user's devices and via massive advertising is what makes XMPP not so popular. https://snikket.org/ https://snikket.org/ is an attempt to 'rebrand' XMPP into something that should be more familiar to non-hackers.
nl 4y ago
Because critical features that users need aren't there. Eg: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32248514 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32248514
- zaik 4y ago
  I never got any spam on my XMPP address, probably because I treat it like my phone number and only use it for chatting with friends and family.
  - nl 4y ago
    Yes, which sort of explains why it has failed for widespread adoption. The wider audience wants to be able to hand out their contact details at a bar and know they'll be able to block the person if they turn out to be a creep. Or they want to be able to block their annoying ex, that crazy QAnon fan cousin etc etc. This is a 100% must have feature, and yet it's treated like an optional feature. There's so many features like this - it's like people using XMPP have never looked at how most people use messaging.
    - nicoco 4y ago
      You can easily block any XMPP address you want. Why are you spreading FUD like this?
      - zaik 4y ago
        It's not entirely unfounded since, by the virtue of openness, it's much easier to create new XMPP addressed than WhatsApp accounts. However I doubt this is the reason why the most popular messengers do not comply with the XMPP standard today.
- nicoco 4y ago
  You quote a comment where I present several options to solve a problem I have never experienced on XMPP (spam). How does that illustrate "critical features [not being] there"?
Macha 4y ago
Google did an EEE with Talk being the overwhelmingly largest provider, then dropped that into the hell that is google's messaging lack-of strategy
- baisq 4y ago
  Why was that an EEE? It's not like Talk "killed" Jabber. Jabber had very marginal use, it shot up when Jabber support for Talk launched, and then it tanked to the previous levels when Google pulled the plug. Whatsapp also originally (or maybe still?) used Jabber. The whatsapp protocol was Jabber with binary tokenised XML, iirc.

I think that beside the scary name, not forcing 'apps' into user's devices and via massive advertising is what makes XMPP not so popular. https://snikket.org/ https://snikket.org/ is an attempt to 'rebrand' XMPP into something that should be more familiar to non-hackers.

nl 4y ago

Because critical features that users need aren't there. Eg: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32248514 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32248514

zaik 4y ago
I never got any spam on my XMPP address, probably because I treat it like my phone number and only use it for chatting with friends and family.
- nl 4y ago
  Yes, which sort of explains why it has failed for widespread adoption. The wider audience wants to be able to hand out their contact details at a bar and know they'll be able to block the person if they turn out to be a creep. Or they want to be able to block their annoying ex, that crazy QAnon fan cousin etc etc. This is a 100% must have feature, and yet it's treated like an optional feature. There's so many features like this - it's like people using XMPP have never looked at how most people use messaging.
  - nicoco 4y ago
    You can easily block any XMPP address you want. Why are you spreading FUD like this?
    - zaik 4y ago
      It's not entirely unfounded since, by the virtue of openness, it's much easier to create new XMPP addressed than WhatsApp accounts. However I doubt this is the reason why the most popular messengers do not comply with the XMPP standard today.
nicoco 4y ago
You quote a comment where I present several options to solve a problem I have never experienced on XMPP (spam). How does that illustrate "critical features [not being] there"?

Macha 4y ago

Google did an EEE with Talk being the overwhelmingly largest provider, then dropped that into the hell that is google's messaging lack-of strategy

baisq 4y ago
Why was that an EEE? It's not like Talk "killed" Jabber. Jabber had very marginal use, it shot up when Jabber support for Talk launched, and then it tanked to the previous levels when Google pulled the plug. Whatsapp also originally (or maybe still?) used Jabber. The whatsapp protocol was Jabber with binary tokenised XML, iirc.