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I am not sure why you think of that for Matrix. I am the only technical person in my group who self-hosts the Matrix server. All that my friends had to do was d
by natrys 4y ago
I am not sure why you think of that for Matrix. I am the only technical person in my group who self-hosts the Matrix server. All that my friends had to do was download the client, copy/paste the instance url provided by me, and boom we were chatting.
- navigate8310 4y agoCopy/paste of some URL in a specific field to get started will cause at least some non-nerd friends to question the ease of use and inherit distrust. "Why am I pasting a URL given by you in this app, will you be able to track all my private conversations as well? Hell, will you be able to hack into my phone now?"
- mynameisvlad 4y agoYou must have some horribly untrustworthy friends. Or, more accurately, your friends must not find you very trustworthy if they're constantly asking these questions whenever you suggest something. A healthy dose of skepticism is warranted, but at the end of the day this whole thread is about friend groups talking to each other. This just wouldn't be a realistic line of questioning in this scenario imo.
- olah_1 4y agoIt would absolutely be a realistic line of questioning for friends and even family. There is terms and service, legal systems etc for corporations. There is no such thing for individual server admins. They are right to feel weird about their friend running their private chats as opposed to a company.
- mynameisvlad 4y agoExtremely hard disagree. People implicitly trust friends and especially family to be generally good and not misuse their information. Far more than they would trust a random stranger or corporation, regardless of legal systems, terms of service, privacy policy, etc. They are also generally grateful that you're providing a service they can use and can handle issues coming up moreso than from others. And, of course they would, you've built up years of personal trust and relationships with them, which goes far deeper than anything professional. Source: I do this. For multiple services. For multiple people. But also, just basic common sense.
- olah_1 4y agoYou’re simply wrong dude. The proof is all around us. People don’t want to use services run by their friends. Otherwise they would. I trust my brother with my life, but I would prefer to use Instagram DMs rather than a chat service he is running on a VPS. There is so much that can go wrong with a service like that. No offense to him, but I’d rather a company handle it where people are getting paid to do it. Generally speaking, if someone is running a service out of the goodness of their heart, they are doing it as a hobby. And you have to wonder why it is so fun to them? They enjoy handling peoples’ chats? Seems a lil weird. I love my brother, but just seems a little off. People do think like this.
- mynameisvlad 4y agoAgree to disagree, but your conclusions and what you consider "weird" are just absurd. The reason people don't use their friends' services is because the supply doesn't exist, not because there's no demand. And /r/homelab (and the numerous spinoffs) would highly disagree with you; the fact that they exist is what you would call "the proof" which is "all around us".
- Macha 4y agoHell, the non-technical end user can just leave the client at the default matrix.org homeserver if they want to have the same setup experience
- NoGravitas 4y agoEven without you providing an instance URL, most clients give a drop-down list of servers with open registration when you sign up. For some reason, these days, that's seen as an impossible barrier to entry.