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problem is that those are two really core features of a messenging app, so they probably don't see how you can keep using the app without them and not have a sh

by bsaul 4y ago

problem is that those are two really core features of a messenging app, so they probably don't see how you can keep using the app without them and not have a shite experience. edit : in case people wonder "share your contact" is actually the only way an app can tell you if a friend from your contact book can be contacted through the app. It's a pretty important thing especially for the onboarding of new people.

dybber 4y ago
Works fine for e.g. Facebook Messenger, Element app etc. You just put in their email adress, username or phone number and you connect. What’s the problem?
- bsaul 4y ago
  You'll have to do that, hoping that they're on the platform, then the server will respond "sorry, i don't know this guy". Then either you send him a SMS or email, saying "hey, when you're on signal, let me know". or you repeat the process every day until finally the person is on signal. That's a crap experience for an onboarding to the platform.
  - checkyoursudo 4y ago
    Most people will allow contacts and notifications, which will help with onboarding ordinary users. I don't need help. I already want to use it the way I want to use it. Don't need to keep reminding me after every update or more than once or whatever. How about a "No, and don't remind me again" option? But yeah, I get what you are saying about most users.
Macha 4y ago
And back in the day apps used to ask for your email password to find your contacts and I never did that either. Having to manually exchange usernames is a tradeoff I have mo problem making against having to provide my social graph to a corporate entity or having people able to do a basically public identifier lookup to my private life. I'm surprised recruiters haven't started spamming signal yet - they certainly have my phone number in DBs against my will, and 1 has tried it on whatsapp.
checkyoursudo 4y ago
I have lots of contacts in Signal without sharing my contacts list. I put my friend's number in, and send a message. No prob. If a messaging app needed me to add a contact first before I could send a message, then maybe I wouldn't use it. My wife's messaging is just a lot of phone numbers and I don't know how she keeps track of who is whom, but she does and she has never put them into contacts. [edit: e.g., using the default phone msg/txting app.] That doesn't work for me, but my way does just fine. I don't need notifications for Signal just like I don't need notifications for email just like I don't need notifications for anything besides reminders or alarms. I don't want my life to be "oh shit I gotta check out this latest notification". Just because "they" don't see it that way doesn't mean "they" shouldn't respect my denial. I have a lovely experience, in fact! :) YMMV, and I get that. Not knocking anyone who lives that way.

by bsaul 4y ago

dybber 4y ago

Works fine for e.g. Facebook Messenger, Element app etc. You just put in their email adress, username or phone number and you connect. What’s the problem?

bsaul 4y ago
You'll have to do that, hoping that they're on the platform, then the server will respond "sorry, i don't know this guy". Then either you send him a SMS or email, saying "hey, when you're on signal, let me know". or you repeat the process every day until finally the person is on signal. That's a crap experience for an onboarding to the platform.
- checkyoursudo 4y ago
  Most people will allow contacts and notifications, which will help with onboarding ordinary users. I don't need help. I already want to use it the way I want to use it. Don't need to keep reminding me after every update or more than once or whatever. How about a "No, and don't remind me again" option? But yeah, I get what you are saying about most users.

Macha 4y ago

And back in the day apps used to ask for your email password to find your contacts and I never did that either. Having to manually exchange usernames is a tradeoff I have mo problem making against having to provide my social graph to a corporate entity or having people able to do a basically public identifier lookup to my private life. I'm surprised recruiters haven't started spamming signal yet - they certainly have my phone number in DBs against my will, and 1 has tried it on whatsapp.

checkyoursudo 4y ago

I have lots of contacts in Signal without sharing my contacts list. I put my friend's number in, and send a message. No prob. If a messaging app needed me to add a contact first before I could send a message, then maybe I wouldn't use it. My wife's messaging is just a lot of phone numbers and I don't know how she keeps track of who is whom, but she does and she has never put them into contacts. [edit: e.g., using the default phone msg/txting app.] That doesn't work for me, but my way does just fine. I don't need notifications for Signal just like I don't need notifications for email just like I don't need notifications for anything besides reminders or alarms. I don't want my life to be "oh shit I gotta check out this latest notification". Just because "they" don't see it that way doesn't mean "they" shouldn't respect my denial. I have a lovely experience, in fact! :) YMMV, and I get that. Not knocking anyone who lives that way.