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I visited (trespassed) in an underground bomb shelter with accomodations for 11000 (eleven thousand) people. It was mothballed and parts of it were used as stor

by exDM69 4y ago

I visited (trespassed) in an underground bomb shelter with accomodations for 11000 (eleven thousand) people. It was mothballed and parts of it were used as storage, but most of what would be needed for housing people there if war or nuclear fallout would hit was there. Dry toilets with no privacy, toilet paper, some dry rations, mattresses, blankets, air filters, first aid kits etc. For 11k people. It was two giant vaults, 5.5k per vault. It changed my views on war and peace. Made me stop playing war games and watching war movies. I wish peace would return to Europe soon. Right now, there are people who have to endure conditions worse than what I saw not very far from here.

v-erne 4y ago
>> Made me stop playing war games and watching war movies. Thats really interesting reaction - probably totally opposite of mine. I honestly believe that war is one of mankind's stupidest invention and suspect that there are no heroes on any battlefield - only naive, stupid and unlucky ones that mostly use pieces of metal with high kinetic energy to pierce through flesh of others. I would never agree to take active part in it. But despite that I love war movies and war games. War theme allows for very good, emotionally charged (in oposition to kinetically charged irl) and captivating narrative that is hard to create otherwise. But nonetheless this is the only good place for war - fantasy.
- postsantum 4y ago
  War isn't mankind's invention - apes has been waging wars since forever https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gombe_Chimpanzee_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gombe_Chimpanzee_War
- exDM69 4y ago
  War games and movies mostly focus on the soldiers. But they are a really small part of the people involved in it. Being exposed to this faux imagery of war messes with people's perception of war. This is especially true for people from countries that have not experienced war on their own territory in centuries and only see it on TV. Obligatory mention of the game "This War of Mine" where the protagonists are civilians. I could not bring myself to try it, I would probably lose sleep over it. Unfortunately, being a male in a conscription country, I do not have the luxury of choosing whether to take part in it or not (well I could choose a prison sentence instead). If our neighbors get belligerent, I will be called to arms. Last time I checked, there is a seat in an armored vehicle with my name on it.
  - v-erne 4y ago
    >> Being exposed to this faux imagery of war messes with people's perception of war. That seems true on the surface but I do not really buy it. Otherwise I believe that I would meet more people enamored by serial killer life after "Dexter" aired. But jokes aside I blame patriotism (and tribalism in general) for creation of this war hero myth. I can even give real life example - I'm from Poland and the ruling party is actively promoting so called cursed soldiers (żołnierze wyklęci) as a national symbol of fight with oppressor (former communist regime). And the way thay are doing it creates a very romantic image of what it means to be a soldier.
- badpun 4y ago
  > honestly believe that war is one of mankind's stupidest invention and suspect that there are no heroes on any battlefield - only naive, stupid and unlucky ones that mostly use pieces of metal with high kinetic energy to pierce through flesh of others. I strongly disagree with that. There were and are plenty of heoric people who chose to put themselves in harm's way and die if necessary, in order to save other people and prevent the world from becoming a worse place. Sometimes the good and evil in war are not so clear, but there are also plenty of clear-cut situations where it's obvious that the invaders will just rape, torture and kill people until someone stops them.
- acomjean 4y ago
  My Mom was very anti-war. No toy guns in our house. (We could play war games like diplomacy and risk when older). It turns out one of her first memory was fleeing her home being bombed in WWII.

by exDM69 4y ago

v-erne 4y ago

>> Made me stop playing war games and watching war movies. Thats really interesting reaction - probably totally opposite of mine. I honestly believe that war is one of mankind's stupidest invention and suspect that there are no heroes on any battlefield - only naive, stupid and unlucky ones that mostly use pieces of metal with high kinetic energy to pierce through flesh of others. I would never agree to take active part in it. But despite that I love war movies and war games. War theme allows for very good, emotionally charged (in oposition to kinetically charged irl) and captivating narrative that is hard to create otherwise. But nonetheless this is the only good place for war - fantasy.

postsantum 4y ago
War isn't mankind's invention - apes has been waging wars since forever https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gombe_Chimpanzee_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gombe_Chimpanzee_War
exDM69 4y ago
War games and movies mostly focus on the soldiers. But they are a really small part of the people involved in it. Being exposed to this faux imagery of war messes with people's perception of war. This is especially true for people from countries that have not experienced war on their own territory in centuries and only see it on TV. Obligatory mention of the game "This War of Mine" where the protagonists are civilians. I could not bring myself to try it, I would probably lose sleep over it. Unfortunately, being a male in a conscription country, I do not have the luxury of choosing whether to take part in it or not (well I could choose a prison sentence instead). If our neighbors get belligerent, I will be called to arms. Last time I checked, there is a seat in an armored vehicle with my name on it.
- v-erne 4y ago
  >> Being exposed to this faux imagery of war messes with people's perception of war. That seems true on the surface but I do not really buy it. Otherwise I believe that I would meet more people enamored by serial killer life after "Dexter" aired. But jokes aside I blame patriotism (and tribalism in general) for creation of this war hero myth. I can even give real life example - I'm from Poland and the ruling party is actively promoting so called cursed soldiers (żołnierze wyklęci) as a national symbol of fight with oppressor (former communist regime). And the way thay are doing it creates a very romantic image of what it means to be a soldier.
badpun 4y ago
> honestly believe that war is one of mankind's stupidest invention and suspect that there are no heroes on any battlefield - only naive, stupid and unlucky ones that mostly use pieces of metal with high kinetic energy to pierce through flesh of others. I strongly disagree with that. There were and are plenty of heoric people who chose to put themselves in harm's way and die if necessary, in order to save other people and prevent the world from becoming a worse place. Sometimes the good and evil in war are not so clear, but there are also plenty of clear-cut situations where it's obvious that the invaders will just rape, torture and kill people until someone stops them.
acomjean 4y ago
My Mom was very anti-war. No toy guns in our house. (We could play war games like diplomacy and risk when older). It turns out one of her first memory was fleeing her home being bombed in WWII.