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Mind-body dualism strikes me as possibly the least elegant and magic-leap-proof alternative to physicalism, so it’s unfortunate that people who explore this qu
by strogonoff 4y ago
Mind-body dualism strikes me as possibly the least elegant and magic-leap-proof alternative to physicalism, so it’s unfortunate that people who explore this question get stuck on it.
In fact, non-material monist views exist! See, for example, Kant and Schrödinger. Some of Wolfram’s ideas[0] at first approach seem to be interpretable from this angle.
I’m not going to do the entirety of monism justice in a paragraph, but as one take: perhaps interacting with other conscious entities involves changes in yours and tends to manifest itself as physical changes within time-space, a lossy map constructed as a shortcut/interface to the otherwise overwhelming underlying territory? This does not require conjuring an entire universe, with its arbitrary laws and constants, to explain perception supplied by consciousness (the only thing we have direct access to, that physicalists nevertheless tend to treat as a magic side-effect of magically existing reality).
[0] https://writings.stephenwolfram.com/2022/06/alien-intelligence-and-the-concept-of-technology/ https://writings.stephenwolfram.com/2022/06/alien-intelligen...
- bowsamic 4y ago> In fact, non-material monist views exist! Also see Buddhist philosophy such as Yogacara
- TuringTest 4y ago> the only thing we have direct access to, that physicalists nevertheless tend to treat as a magic side-effect of magically existing reality Doesn't that perspective require a magically existing mind, which happens to magically discover an entire universe with consistent laws and constants as a side-effect of its experimental enquiries? Not much gained by the change of perspective, then?
- strogonoff 4y agoIt’s probably safe to assume that consciousness exists, as it’s what carries out this line of reasoning in the first place. And no, I don’t think an elegant explanation is one that magically conjures up the existence of an entire universe that’s not directly accessible except as a representation within said consciousness.