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Nope. Just moved from 15 years in Upper East Side. People that should be in an insane asylum are walking around everywhere. One of these guys was recently walki

Nope. Just moved from 15 years in Upper East Side. People that should be in an insane asylum are walking around everywhere. One of these guys was recently walking around daily attacking random people unprovoked. And this is in an expensive area of the city. Go walk around 86th btwn Lex and 3rd at night and let me know what your study says then. NYC is dangerous, filthy, and extremely expensive. Every day I’m thankful I’m out of there.

halfmatthalfcat 4y ago
I lived in UES from 2016 - 2019 around 77th and 2nd. Anybody there during that time can remember the "Spitting Lady" who lived around the area and would literally spit on passer-bys, scream at the top of her lungs for hours on end and who also had a son with mental illness who would act as muscle for her/intimidate people who dared mess with her. The point is NYC still has big city problems (one could argue the biggest, because it is the biggest), especially around homelessness and how to correctly provide care for them. That does not mean NYC is not safe. I have never felt safer living in both Manhattan and Queens, as opposed to the Bay Area or living in Chicago. Also this fascination with NYC and it's trash situation is such a tired and frankly disingenuous dig at the city. While it is expensive, no argue there, it is not dangerous or filthy. You'd think after having lived there for 15 years you'd have some pride in becoming a New Yorker (lord knows I do and weep for the fact I no longer live there) but maybe the city is better off without you.
- loh 4y ago
  I'm like 90% sure I was spit on by this woman during a week long business trip in 2018. I ignored it and kept walking. Figured she just didn't like the cut of my jib or something, but I guess it makes sense that it'd be a regular occurrence and I feel slightly less bad about it now.
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- LecroJS 4y ago
  I was in high school there during this time and every day was a new tale of who ran into her before school/during lunch. Many people would check with friends in earlier lunch periods to get the word on where she was for the day so that they could pick a place for lunch on a different street.
- anthony_d 4y ago
  > Also this fascination with NYC and it's trash situation is such a tired and frankly disingenuous dig at the city. While it is expensive, no argue there, it is not dangerous or filthy. You'd think after having lived there for 15 years you'd have some pride in becoming a New Yorker (lord knows I do and weep for the fact I no longer live there) but maybe the city is better off without you. So you just assert it's fine and continue with an ad hominem argument? Allow me to retort: maybe it's a trash pit of a city because of apologists like you? NYC reeks in a way I've not encountered outside of the US.
  - halfmatthalfcat 4y ago
    There's no point in trying to convince people who already come into the discussion with such charged language as "filthy", "disgusting" or "trash pit". Their minds are already made up, sadly, and yes, the city doesn't deserve such disrespect and slander, especially from someone who claims to have lived there for 15 years. Shameful. The sanitation system in the city is near the bottom compared to other issues like the MTA; anybody making an argument to the contrary either has never lived in the city or is willfully ignorant.
- user3939382 4y ago
  > Also this fascination with NYC and it's trash situation is such a tired and frankly disingenuous dig at the city If only trash was the only issue. Walk around Chinatown on hot days and you can smell the fish juice the stores dump into the streets/sidewalks baking in the sun. Then yes, you have the huge piles of garbage bags on the streets everywhere. But really what I was referring to was the infestation in many buildings of some combination of mice, rats, cockroaches, and bedbugs. This includes Manhattan and the outer boroughs and includes buildings where you're paying $3k/month to rent a tiny apartment. The rat problem in UES is particularly bad. They're everywhere. Of course there's the homeless pee all over midtown that you get to randomly get a nice whiff of as you're walking around. Or the upscale neighborhoods where everyone owns a little dog (so there are hundreds of them on the same small set of sidewalks) covered in pee every morning. I'm actually amazed that anyone who's lived in the city would deny that it's filthy, it's so obvious to me that I didn't expect that to be controversial.
  - halfmatthalfcat 4y ago
    You are catastrophizing relatively small and isolated issues. In my time in NYC (7 years), I know of 1 person who got bedbugs. Never met anybody with a mice or rat problem. I've seen more rats in Chicago than I ever did in NYC. They primarily confine themselves to the subway, where in Chi they're running around the alleys. Either you're in that relative minority or you are completely blowing the problem out of proportion.
    - user3939382 4y ago
      It’s not my intention to be argumentative but we’ve somehow just had completely different experiences. I’ve had many friends, and personally experienced, the problem with mice and cockroaches in buildings. The rats tend to be outside but they’re not confined to the subway. They’re in the bushes in all the parks, in the trash areas in front of almost all buildings at least in UES, under outdoor dining decks, everywhere. I kicked one by accident while walking down the street one night. It may also be a time period thing. When COVID began the rat problem was already bad but for some reason got much worse since.
WillPostForFood 4y ago
The real problem is that NYC is much more dangerous, and much more unpleasant than NYC of ten or five years ago. And for no good reason other than bad policy choices.
- user3939382 4y ago
  100% agree. Before De Blasio I felt generally safe walking around Manhattan, except maybe Downtown at night because it was more desolate/commercial then.

halfmatthalfcat 4y ago

I lived in UES from 2016 - 2019 around 77th and 2nd. Anybody there during that time can remember the "Spitting Lady" who lived around the area and would literally spit on passer-bys, scream at the top of her lungs for hours on end and who also had a son with mental illness who would act as muscle for her/intimidate people who dared mess with her. The point is NYC still has big city problems (one could argue the biggest, because it is the biggest), especially around homelessness and how to correctly provide care for them. That does not mean NYC is not safe. I have never felt safer living in both Manhattan and Queens, as opposed to the Bay Area or living in Chicago. Also this fascination with NYC and it's trash situation is such a tired and frankly disingenuous dig at the city. While it is expensive, no argue there, it is not dangerous or filthy. You'd think after having lived there for 15 years you'd have some pride in becoming a New Yorker (lord knows I do and weep for the fact I no longer live there) but maybe the city is better off without you.

loh 4y ago
I'm like 90% sure I was spit on by this woman during a week long business trip in 2018. I ignored it and kept walking. Figured she just didn't like the cut of my jib or something, but I guess it makes sense that it'd be a regular occurrence and I feel slightly less bad about it now.
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LecroJS 4y ago
I was in high school there during this time and every day was a new tale of who ran into her before school/during lunch. Many people would check with friends in earlier lunch periods to get the word on where she was for the day so that they could pick a place for lunch on a different street.
anthony_d 4y ago
> Also this fascination with NYC and it's trash situation is such a tired and frankly disingenuous dig at the city. While it is expensive, no argue there, it is not dangerous or filthy. You'd think after having lived there for 15 years you'd have some pride in becoming a New Yorker (lord knows I do and weep for the fact I no longer live there) but maybe the city is better off without you. So you just assert it's fine and continue with an ad hominem argument? Allow me to retort: maybe it's a trash pit of a city because of apologists like you? NYC reeks in a way I've not encountered outside of the US.
- halfmatthalfcat 4y ago
  There's no point in trying to convince people who already come into the discussion with such charged language as "filthy", "disgusting" or "trash pit". Their minds are already made up, sadly, and yes, the city doesn't deserve such disrespect and slander, especially from someone who claims to have lived there for 15 years. Shameful. The sanitation system in the city is near the bottom compared to other issues like the MTA; anybody making an argument to the contrary either has never lived in the city or is willfully ignorant.
user3939382 4y ago
> Also this fascination with NYC and it's trash situation is such a tired and frankly disingenuous dig at the city If only trash was the only issue. Walk around Chinatown on hot days and you can smell the fish juice the stores dump into the streets/sidewalks baking in the sun. Then yes, you have the huge piles of garbage bags on the streets everywhere. But really what I was referring to was the infestation in many buildings of some combination of mice, rats, cockroaches, and bedbugs. This includes Manhattan and the outer boroughs and includes buildings where you're paying $3k/month to rent a tiny apartment. The rat problem in UES is particularly bad. They're everywhere. Of course there's the homeless pee all over midtown that you get to randomly get a nice whiff of as you're walking around. Or the upscale neighborhoods where everyone owns a little dog (so there are hundreds of them on the same small set of sidewalks) covered in pee every morning. I'm actually amazed that anyone who's lived in the city would deny that it's filthy, it's so obvious to me that I didn't expect that to be controversial.
- halfmatthalfcat 4y ago
  You are catastrophizing relatively small and isolated issues. In my time in NYC (7 years), I know of 1 person who got bedbugs. Never met anybody with a mice or rat problem. I've seen more rats in Chicago than I ever did in NYC. They primarily confine themselves to the subway, where in Chi they're running around the alleys. Either you're in that relative minority or you are completely blowing the problem out of proportion.
  - user3939382 4y ago
    It’s not my intention to be argumentative but we’ve somehow just had completely different experiences. I’ve had many friends, and personally experienced, the problem with mice and cockroaches in buildings. The rats tend to be outside but they’re not confined to the subway. They’re in the bushes in all the parks, in the trash areas in front of almost all buildings at least in UES, under outdoor dining decks, everywhere. I kicked one by accident while walking down the street one night. It may also be a time period thing. When COVID began the rat problem was already bad but for some reason got much worse since.

WillPostForFood 4y ago

The real problem is that NYC is much more dangerous, and much more unpleasant than NYC of ten or five years ago. And for no good reason other than bad policy choices.

user3939382 4y ago
100% agree. Before De Blasio I felt generally safe walking around Manhattan, except maybe Downtown at night because it was more desolate/commercial then.