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This is so delusional it's laughable. My parents have left their car doors unlocked, their house wide open, keys on the dash, money in plain sight, for 40+ yea

This is so delusional it's laughable. My parents have left their car doors unlocked, their house wide open, keys on the dash, money in plain sight, for 40+ years. Not once, not even even once, has a theft occurred. Violent crime however is a certain reality in NYC.

woodruffw 4y ago
This is apples and oranges: the article is about death (and violent crimes), not theft. That said, the numbers don't really lie: New York (the state, including the city) ranks lowest in burglaries per capita[1]. For larceny theft, the state is also towards the bottom[2]. Those are state numbers, of course, but almost half of the state lives in the city. [1]: https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/the-most-burglaries-in-the-us.html https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/the-most-burglaries-in-t... [2]: https://www.statista.com/statistics/232583/larceny-theft-rate-in-the-us-by-state/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/232583/larceny-theft-rat...
- systemvoltage 4y ago
  Why not use NYC data? Seems less Apples to Oranges.
  - woodruffw 4y ago
    Because I was too lazy to pull CompStat[1]. But here you go: * NYC recorded 6,486 burglaries in 2021, for a population of 8.38 million. That's 77.39 burglaries per 100,000 people, which makes the city's burglary rate lower than the rest of the state. * The city recorded 18,862 grand larcenies in 2021, for the same population. That's 225.08 larcenies per 100,000 people, which is also lower than the rest of the state. Both burglaries and larceny are up this year, significantly. But even if they double, NYC will still be well below national and state averages. Edit: Correcting myself: the final statistics[2] for robbery in 2021 show 12811 robberies, for a final rate of 152.88. That's still a fraction of NY state's burglary rate, which is the lowest in the nation. For grand larceny it's 487.71, which is also still below both state and national averages (by two thirds). [1]: https://compstat.nypdonline.org https://compstat.nypdonline.org [2]: https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/nypd/downloads/pdf/analysis_and_planning/historical-crime-data/seven-major-felony-offenses-2000-2021.pdf https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/nypd/downloads/pdf/analysis_and_...
    - bobsmooth 4y ago
      >Recorded burglaries As a poster above you mentioned, why report a crime if you know nothing will be done.
      - woodruffw 4y ago
        Are you claiming that New Yorkers report crimes less frequently than others? It'd be great to have a source for that; absent that, there's no reason to believe that any sample error in the NYC crime data isn't similarly reflected in all crime data.
        gojomo 4y ago
        I'm relatively confident that residents of NYC, and similar big cities, report fewer of the crimes that actually happen than people elsewhere. But that's the sort of claim from my life-experience, including plenty of time as a child in the NY suburbs, and most of my adult life in San Francisco, that may not have handy official stats to back it up. I suspect a survey of residents, asking questions like, "have you had anything stolen that you did not file a police report about?", would reveal relative urban versus suburban or rural propensity-to-report trends here better than official crime stats – but I don't know of such a data series.
        woodruffw 4y ago
        It's good to feel confident about things. But data is even nicer. I've never had to file a police report for theft in NYC (where I've lived for 20+ years), because I've never had anything stolen from me. Unless you count the kid who, in third grade, stole my Pokemon cartridge. But the response to that involved schoolyard justice.
        teakettle42 4y ago
        How many years have you spent in NYC as an independent adult?
- teakettle42 4y ago
  The numbers do lie, though. When I first moved to NYC, it was a wet, slushy winter. My wife left her shoes outside our apartment door to dry off overnight, in a locked building with about 12 other units. By 7am the next morning, they’d vanished. I had to go buy her replacement shoes. We didn’t report the theft; why bother? The police couldn’t and wouldn’t do anything about it. The next four years in NYC weren’t all that different; lots of petty theft and crime, all the time, everywhere. Unreported and unresolved. These days, I live in the mountains outside of Boulder. Absolutely zero crime over the past 10 years. Our yearly murder rate up in the hills is zero, and has been zero for decades.
  - woodruffw 4y ago
    The plural of anecdote is data :-) I've lived here my entire life, and I've never had my shoes stolen from outside my apartment, whether the building was locked or unlocked. I'm sorry that that happened to your wife, but it's a single instance.
    - teakettle42 4y ago
      Low-level quality of life crimes are a constant; I seriously doubt you haven’t been the victim of similar crime.
      - woodruffw 4y ago
        You're welcome to doubt, but it's true. I've never even had a bicycle stolen (in the city that is; someone stole one from me in the suburbs of Maryland once).
        teakettle42 4y ago
        woodruffw 4y ago
        That's a bummer!
- exabrial 4y ago
  I'd rather shave a year or two off my life than deal with a lifetime of getting my shit stolen... and living under the constant fear of violent assault, or the pain of watching females in my life living under the constant and real threat of sexual assault.
  - woodruffw 4y ago
    Living in fear is no way to live, and most people here express no particular fear of violent assault. This warrants introspection on your part: if you're afraid but the people actually here aren't (including every woman I know), is it possible that your idea of the situation doesn't reflect its reality?
csdvrx 4y ago
> Violent crime however is a certain reality in NYC. Then please define "violent crime", because from what I've seen below (some shoes stolen outside a home) isn't what I'd even list as theft.

woodruffw 4y ago

This is apples and oranges: the article is about death (and violent crimes), not theft. That said, the numbers don't really lie: New York (the state, including the city) ranks lowest in burglaries per capita[1]. For larceny theft, the state is also towards the bottom[2]. Those are state numbers, of course, but almost half of the state lives in the city. [1]: https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/the-most-burglaries-in-the-us.html https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/the-most-burglaries-in-t... [2]: https://www.statista.com/statistics/232583/larceny-theft-rate-in-the-us-by-state/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/232583/larceny-theft-rat...

systemvoltage 4y ago
Why not use NYC data? Seems less Apples to Oranges.
- woodruffw 4y ago
  Because I was too lazy to pull CompStat[1]. But here you go: * NYC recorded 6,486 burglaries in 2021, for a population of 8.38 million. That's 77.39 burglaries per 100,000 people, which makes the city's burglary rate lower than the rest of the state. * The city recorded 18,862 grand larcenies in 2021, for the same population. That's 225.08 larcenies per 100,000 people, which is also lower than the rest of the state. Both burglaries and larceny are up this year, significantly. But even if they double, NYC will still be well below national and state averages. Edit: Correcting myself: the final statistics[2] for robbery in 2021 show 12811 robberies, for a final rate of 152.88. That's still a fraction of NY state's burglary rate, which is the lowest in the nation. For grand larceny it's 487.71, which is also still below both state and national averages (by two thirds). [1]: https://compstat.nypdonline.org https://compstat.nypdonline.org [2]: https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/nypd/downloads/pdf/analysis_and_planning/historical-crime-data/seven-major-felony-offenses-2000-2021.pdf https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/nypd/downloads/pdf/analysis_and_...
  - bobsmooth 4y ago
    >Recorded burglaries As a poster above you mentioned, why report a crime if you know nothing will be done.
    - woodruffw 4y ago
      Are you claiming that New Yorkers report crimes less frequently than others? It'd be great to have a source for that; absent that, there's no reason to believe that any sample error in the NYC crime data isn't similarly reflected in all crime data.
      - gojomo 4y ago
        I'm relatively confident that residents of NYC, and similar big cities, report fewer of the crimes that actually happen than people elsewhere. But that's the sort of claim from my life-experience, including plenty of time as a child in the NY suburbs, and most of my adult life in San Francisco, that may not have handy official stats to back it up. I suspect a survey of residents, asking questions like, "have you had anything stolen that you did not file a police report about?", would reveal relative urban versus suburban or rural propensity-to-report trends here better than official crime stats – but I don't know of such a data series.
        woodruffw 4y ago
        It's good to feel confident about things. But data is even nicer. I've never had to file a police report for theft in NYC (where I've lived for 20+ years), because I've never had anything stolen from me. Unless you count the kid who, in third grade, stole my Pokemon cartridge. But the response to that involved schoolyard justice.
        teakettle42 4y ago
        How many years have you spent in NYC as an independent adult?
teakettle42 4y ago
The numbers do lie, though. When I first moved to NYC, it was a wet, slushy winter. My wife left her shoes outside our apartment door to dry off overnight, in a locked building with about 12 other units. By 7am the next morning, they’d vanished. I had to go buy her replacement shoes. We didn’t report the theft; why bother? The police couldn’t and wouldn’t do anything about it. The next four years in NYC weren’t all that different; lots of petty theft and crime, all the time, everywhere. Unreported and unresolved. These days, I live in the mountains outside of Boulder. Absolutely zero crime over the past 10 years. Our yearly murder rate up in the hills is zero, and has been zero for decades.
- woodruffw 4y ago
  The plural of anecdote is data :-) I've lived here my entire life, and I've never had my shoes stolen from outside my apartment, whether the building was locked or unlocked. I'm sorry that that happened to your wife, but it's a single instance.
  - teakettle42 4y ago
    Low-level quality of life crimes are a constant; I seriously doubt you haven’t been the victim of similar crime.
    - woodruffw 4y ago
      You're welcome to doubt, but it's true. I've never even had a bicycle stolen (in the city that is; someone stole one from me in the suburbs of Maryland once).
      - teakettle42 4y ago
        woodruffw 4y ago
        That's a bummer!
exabrial 4y ago
I'd rather shave a year or two off my life than deal with a lifetime of getting my shit stolen... and living under the constant fear of violent assault, or the pain of watching females in my life living under the constant and real threat of sexual assault.
- woodruffw 4y ago
  Living in fear is no way to live, and most people here express no particular fear of violent assault. This warrants introspection on your part: if you're afraid but the people actually here aren't (including every woman I know), is it possible that your idea of the situation doesn't reflect its reality?

csdvrx 4y ago

> Violent crime however is a certain reality in NYC. Then please define "violent crime", because from what I've seen below (some shoes stolen outside a home) isn't what I'd even list as theft.