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Of course advertising one thing then saying, "well, actually, no" means you lied. Even if you're "nice" about it. It's not that big a deal. People lie tons. It

Of course advertising one thing then saying, "well, actually, no" means you lied. Even if you're "nice" about it. It's not that big a deal. People lie tons. It's not murder. But it's still a lie.

walrus01 4y ago
no, this is more like running a buffet restaurant with an all you can eat buffet. 98% of your customers show up and eat three gargantuan heaping plates, are totally satisfied, and can barely walk back to their cars. the other 2% show up at 3 in the afternoon, stay for six hours, eat ten plates of crab legs and roast beef. maybe you notice those 2% of customers and say nothing. if the same person comes back every week and loads up on ten plates of crab legs, you nicely remind them of the socially acceptable use of an all you can eat buffet.
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- kube-system 4y ago
  Honest all-you-can eat buffets do not cut people off, they post time-limits. https://blorg.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Bacchanal-buffet-caesars-las-vegas-5.jpg https://blorg.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Bacchanal-buffe...
  - walrus01 4y ago
    to extend this analogy, the posted time limit at the entrance of the buffet is similar to what's in their TOS/AUP that the customer agreed to before ever starting the service in the first place.
    - kube-system 4y ago
      I think the biggest difference is that "Please don't stay here more than 2 hours" clearly means that you can't sit around and eat all day. "[don't do things that] impairs the regular operating behavior or the security of our infrastructure or our product" doesn't make it very clear that there are data caps.
- mbg721 4y ago
  This behavior leads me to disregard any advertising of "all you can eat" as a lie, and the speaker of that lie as a dishonest business. American Airlines dealt with this.
  - walrus01 4y ago
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwQr3VcoUvM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwQr3VcoUvM yarrr, tis not a man, tis a relentless eating machine
    - mbg721 4y ago
      Fine, but getting back to the analogy, you have to specify how your bandwidth is limited from the outset, you can't just offer it as unlimited and then say, "Nooooooo, you obese whale, not like that!" once it disadvantages your business.
- tomjen3 4y ago
  No. You accept those 2% as cost of doing business. Yeah of course you made certain calculations when you started your business, including that most people would start loading up their (small) trays with the first items, which are the cheapest and so not cost you much, but you also accept that not everybody is going to do that. A business is a business and social acceptableness has nothing to do with one another. One is a business and the other is a social situation. If I know you personally, it is a social situation. If I have paid money, it is business situation.

Of course advertising one thing then saying, "well, actually, no" means you lied. Even if you're "nice" about it. It's not that big a deal. People lie tons. It's not murder. But it's still a lie.

walrus01 4y ago

no, this is more like running a buffet restaurant with an all you can eat buffet. 98% of your customers show up and eat three gargantuan heaping plates, are totally satisfied, and can barely walk back to their cars. the other 2% show up at 3 in the afternoon, stay for six hours, eat ten plates of crab legs and roast beef. maybe you notice those 2% of customers and say nothing. if the same person comes back every week and loads up on ten plates of crab legs, you nicely remind them of the socially acceptable use of an all you can eat buffet.

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kube-system 4y ago
Honest all-you-can eat buffets do not cut people off, they post time-limits. https://blorg.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Bacchanal-buffet-caesars-las-vegas-5.jpg https://blorg.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Bacchanal-buffe...
- walrus01 4y ago
  to extend this analogy, the posted time limit at the entrance of the buffet is similar to what's in their TOS/AUP that the customer agreed to before ever starting the service in the first place.
  - kube-system 4y ago
    I think the biggest difference is that "Please don't stay here more than 2 hours" clearly means that you can't sit around and eat all day. "[don't do things that] impairs the regular operating behavior or the security of our infrastructure or our product" doesn't make it very clear that there are data caps.
mbg721 4y ago
This behavior leads me to disregard any advertising of "all you can eat" as a lie, and the speaker of that lie as a dishonest business. American Airlines dealt with this.
- walrus01 4y ago
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwQr3VcoUvM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwQr3VcoUvM yarrr, tis not a man, tis a relentless eating machine
  - mbg721 4y ago
    Fine, but getting back to the analogy, you have to specify how your bandwidth is limited from the outset, you can't just offer it as unlimited and then say, "Nooooooo, you obese whale, not like that!" once it disadvantages your business.
tomjen3 4y ago
No. You accept those 2% as cost of doing business. Yeah of course you made certain calculations when you started your business, including that most people would start loading up their (small) trays with the first items, which are the cheapest and so not cost you much, but you also accept that not everybody is going to do that. A business is a business and social acceptableness has nothing to do with one another. One is a business and the other is a social situation. If I know you personally, it is a social situation. If I have paid money, it is business situation.