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I would point you to the excellent lecture of John Mearsheimer on the subject: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrMiSQAGOS4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrMiS

by Sin2x 4y ago

I would point you to the excellent lecture of John Mearsheimer on the subject: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrMiSQAGOS4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrMiSQAGOS4 But the whole conundrum started much earlier, in my understanding, when western elites realized that Putin is not going to dance to their tune as readily as Eltsin did and wants Russia to be truly sovereign. The timeline of proxy warfare would start with 2003 Rose revolution in Georgia, then 2004 Orange revolution in Ukraine, then Putin's Munich speech in 2007, then Ukraine coup in 2014 and subsequent retaliation of Russia by taking Crimea and then today. In the interim Russia also meddled with Syria but that's far enough from Russian border to disregard as irrelevant to the Ukraine situation where Ukraine is right on the border of Russia. It's the second Cuban crisis basically. USA created a puppet state on Russian border and Russia obviously doesn't want that. Ideas that Russia wants to conquer Europe or restore USSR are idiotic and paranoid. What Russia wants is for US/NATO to get the heck away from its borders -- as was promised when USSR dissolved. https://www.vox.com/22900113/nato-ukraine-russia-crisis-clinton-expansion https://www.vox.com/22900113/nato-ukraine-russia-crisis-clin...

boplicity 4y ago
Interesting. Do most Russians believe this? Are they concerned at all about the mass atrocities committed by Russian in Ukraine?
- Sin2x 4y ago
  Everybody in my circle does. I am not aware of any real non-staged (like Bucha) atrocities commited by Russian forces while I do know of such perpetrated by Ukrainians -- at least three instances of torturing and killing POWs and the literally daily shelling of Donetsk and surrounding area. If you are, do enlighten me. Oh, and Ovsyannikova was fined again this week for ~$800, that's the extent of "anti-war oppression" in Russia. I find it rather suspicious that you did not mention the lecture in your reply -- have you watched the video? Any thoughts?
_kbh_ 4y ago
> then Ukraine coup in 2014 You mean when the pro Russian puppet was ousted for going back on joining the EU and ran away to his masters in Russia?. > Ideas that Russia wants to conquer Europe or restore USSR are idiotic and paranoid. Then the Russians are idiotic and paranoid because it’s pretty much the exact rhetoric that they are putting out. They keep saying they can take Poland if they want to and that Poland is next, if that’s not about the USSR what is it about?. > What Russia wants is for US/NATO to get the heck away from its borders -- as was promised when USSR dissolved. This was a promise that was never made.

by Sin2x 4y ago

boplicity 4y ago

Interesting. Do most Russians believe this? Are they concerned at all about the mass atrocities committed by Russian in Ukraine?

Sin2x 4y ago
Everybody in my circle does. I am not aware of any real non-staged (like Bucha) atrocities commited by Russian forces while I do know of such perpetrated by Ukrainians -- at least three instances of torturing and killing POWs and the literally daily shelling of Donetsk and surrounding area. If you are, do enlighten me. Oh, and Ovsyannikova was fined again this week for ~$800, that's the extent of "anti-war oppression" in Russia. I find it rather suspicious that you did not mention the lecture in your reply -- have you watched the video? Any thoughts?

_kbh_ 4y ago

> then Ukraine coup in 2014 You mean when the pro Russian puppet was ousted for going back on joining the EU and ran away to his masters in Russia?. > Ideas that Russia wants to conquer Europe or restore USSR are idiotic and paranoid. Then the Russians are idiotic and paranoid because it’s pretty much the exact rhetoric that they are putting out. They keep saying they can take Poland if they want to and that Poland is next, if that’s not about the USSR what is it about?. > What Russia wants is for US/NATO to get the heck away from its borders -- as was promised when USSR dissolved. This was a promise that was never made.