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I talked to someone who used to be at Facebook's reality lab and they said they have very VERY strict controls on user data and no one just has remote access th

I talked to someone who used to be at Facebook's reality lab and they said they have very VERY strict controls on user data and no one just has remote access through Oculus cameras including devs but reputation is hard to shake when tied to a company like Facebook.

johannes1234321 4y ago
That developers not having access is likely. Still there certainly is different data analytics running over it to identify what works and what ads to sell where. Also there mere fact that the data exists can lead to some (ab)use sometime in future. Even if I were to trust Mark Zuckerberg (which I don't, but for arguemnt's sake) this won't give me trust in a successor.
- dmix 4y ago
  What data are you talking about that's being released from someone who never uses Facebook besides playing Quest 2 once in a while? My location and game preferences? A video/audio of my empty room while I play a game by myself?
  - johannes1234321 4y ago
    Location gives information on financial information. The information on when you are playing gives information on your job situation. The kinds of games give insight into personality. And so on, if you combine with data from other sources (what else happens on the IP address around the same time?) you can get quite a lot.
parkingrift 4y ago
Oh I’m sure they do. I’m sure Facebook cares deeply about your data and they absolutely would not ever lose it or accidentally give it away. They definitely don’t see the VR devices as a gateway to another frontier on data collection. That’s why they paid billions for Oculus and then spent billions to sell the Quest devices at a loss. Ignore the fact that one of basic features of the Quest is to scan your room and build a play area. Just give FB a burner account and you’re set they definitely won’t be able to tie that data together it’s not like they built their entire business around doing that.
- PaulsWallet 4y ago
  This is such a weirdly aggressive comment. I'm not saying you have to trust Facebook but there are much better ways to shake Oculus users down for money than risk getting caught watching people on the toilet through their VR cameras.
  - skyyler 4y ago
    Why are you imagining petty voyeurism? I'm imagining more like "scan the room for products recently purchased at non-amazon retailers" or "identify how many worker-consumers are in the room and how engaged they are with The Product" Data, not video or pictures.
    - CursedUrn 4y ago
      Petty voyeurism will happen (we've seen enough stories about this with Amazon Alexa) but I agree that's nowhere near the main problem with this kind of technology.
    - dmix 4y ago
      I bought all of those products with credit cards, usually on Amazon. I highly doubt that's useful information for FB to mine (and it would destroy their product line if it came out they were doing that). I just made a mental list of all of the items in my office room where I use Quest and the face I own a Macbook and some high end speakers/chair/desk/monitor and an iPhone is really not that interesting to anyone. I'm way more concerned by my mobile phone or browser where I actual engage with personal information.
  - parkingrift 4y ago
    And I am saying you absolutely should not trust the least trustworthy company in tech.
Mo3 4y ago
Lol, yeah, sure. Just like Alexa and Nest have "very strict controls on user data and most definitely not remote access to recordings"
broknbottle 4y ago
You really think Zuck couldn't phone up a random SDE and ask them for a direct feed into a random users home? Sor..sorr..sorry Zuck I can't break policy, even for you the president of Hawaii.

johannes1234321 4y ago

That developers not having access is likely. Still there certainly is different data analytics running over it to identify what works and what ads to sell where. Also there mere fact that the data exists can lead to some (ab)use sometime in future. Even if I were to trust Mark Zuckerberg (which I don't, but for arguemnt's sake) this won't give me trust in a successor.

dmix 4y ago
What data are you talking about that's being released from someone who never uses Facebook besides playing Quest 2 once in a while? My location and game preferences? A video/audio of my empty room while I play a game by myself?
- johannes1234321 4y ago
  Location gives information on financial information. The information on when you are playing gives information on your job situation. The kinds of games give insight into personality. And so on, if you combine with data from other sources (what else happens on the IP address around the same time?) you can get quite a lot.

parkingrift 4y ago

Oh I’m sure they do. I’m sure Facebook cares deeply about your data and they absolutely would not ever lose it or accidentally give it away. They definitely don’t see the VR devices as a gateway to another frontier on data collection. That’s why they paid billions for Oculus and then spent billions to sell the Quest devices at a loss. Ignore the fact that one of basic features of the Quest is to scan your room and build a play area. Just give FB a burner account and you’re set they definitely won’t be able to tie that data together it’s not like they built their entire business around doing that.

PaulsWallet 4y ago
This is such a weirdly aggressive comment. I'm not saying you have to trust Facebook but there are much better ways to shake Oculus users down for money than risk getting caught watching people on the toilet through their VR cameras.
- skyyler 4y ago
  Why are you imagining petty voyeurism? I'm imagining more like "scan the room for products recently purchased at non-amazon retailers" or "identify how many worker-consumers are in the room and how engaged they are with The Product" Data, not video or pictures.
  - CursedUrn 4y ago
    Petty voyeurism will happen (we've seen enough stories about this with Amazon Alexa) but I agree that's nowhere near the main problem with this kind of technology.
  - dmix 4y ago
    I bought all of those products with credit cards, usually on Amazon. I highly doubt that's useful information for FB to mine (and it would destroy their product line if it came out they were doing that). I just made a mental list of all of the items in my office room where I use Quest and the face I own a Macbook and some high end speakers/chair/desk/monitor and an iPhone is really not that interesting to anyone. I'm way more concerned by my mobile phone or browser where I actual engage with personal information.
- parkingrift 4y ago
  And I am saying you absolutely should not trust the least trustworthy company in tech.

Mo3 4y ago

Lol, yeah, sure. Just like Alexa and Nest have "very strict controls on user data and most definitely not remote access to recordings"

broknbottle 4y ago

You really think Zuck couldn't phone up a random SDE and ask them for a direct feed into a random users home? Sor..sorr..sorry Zuck I can't break policy, even for you the president of Hawaii.