This entire subthread is exactly why I don't believe people when they trout out old linux desktop stereotypes and then handwave and imply they've actually tried

This entire subthread is exactly why I don't believe people when they trout out old linux desktop stereotypes and then handwave and imply they've actually tried it anytime recently. Shocking, in development efforts can undergo lots of change in the span of months, let alone years. Wayland is a wip (a number of things are being worked on right now that have never even been fathomed for x11) and it's already a significantly better experience in countless ways over x11.