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Same, though there were about a dozen previous reasons, starting with "pedo guy". This won't help, but I was pretty much long gone as a customer.

by pkulak 4y ago

balls187 4y ago
Funny enough, it was test driving a Tesla that got me interested in getting an EV as my next vehicle. And like many, Musk's behavior has dissuaded me from purchasing one, and instead likely a Ford.
- chrisseaton 4y ago
  - spookie 4y ago
    > actual anti-semite Who? Current Ford's great-grandfather? Not the same person.
    - chrisseaton 4y ago
      > Not the same person. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Ford https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Ford
      - spookie 4y ago
        Henry Ford is dead.
        chrisseaton 4y ago
        Says that in the article I linked you to.
        spookie 4y ago
        Yeah, but whoever's running the show for the past... 75 years, isn't antisemitic. His successors probably didn't align with such views, given that: 1. They're not the same person 2. Post WWII wouldn't be kind to those types
  - neaden 4y ago
    Well he has also been dead for 75 years, so people are less concerned with his personal beliefs and actions.
    - balls187 4y ago
      Bill Burr speaks about this in his latest special, that Coco Chanel slept with nazi officers during WW2, and that she did what she felt she had to survive. He also goes on to talk about John Wayne and Sean Connery in equally deliteful manner.
  - mikestew 4y ago
    One has been dead for about 75 years and has little influence over the day-to-day operations of their respective company. One is still running loose and still acting like a jackass.
  - gs17 4y ago
    I think most people don't care about (whether out of time-induced apathy or unfortunate agreement) who Ford was much like how they don't care much about who founded VW or why. Coming from Detroit, it was always frustrating how whitewashed his history got.
  - kps 4y ago
    Henry Ford II emphatically and substantively separated the company from his grandfather's lunacy.
  - babypuncher 4y ago
    Henry Ford was a jerk, but he died decades before most of us here were even born. Buying a Ford today does nothing to further facilitate the gross things he did 90 years ago. The elongated muskrat is out there today being an ass; spreading misinformation during a pandemic, perpetuating racist behavior in its factories, and a growing list of sexual improprieties. I think it is fair for someone to not want to give money to someone like that.
- nr2x 4y ago
  The EV Mustang looks so dope. See a lot of them in SV.
- pkulak 4y ago
  I pre-ordered a Model 3 in 2016. Still have the charger I installed in my garage, but now I use the J1772 one I installed later.
ajconway 4y ago
Tesla is also thousands of brilliant engineers that transformed the industry, and not just one guy who tweets a lot.
- timmytokyo 4y ago
  In other words, Musk isn't doing his engineers any favors either.
- izzydata 4y ago
  Exactly, so they should do the only logical thing and vote out Elon as Tesla's CEO so he stops destroying whatever public image they have left. Elon doesn't "do" anything besides be a double edged hype machine.
  - enragedcacti 4y ago
    It would be amazing if Tesla were a worker cooperative where that were possible. Trying to hold Elon to a standard in his companies gets you fired, not him: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-06-17/spacex-fires-employees-over-letter-critical-of-musk-s-behavior https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-06-17/spacex-fi...
    - izzydata 4y ago
      How can any self respecting individual work in such an environment? It's sad to know there are so many talented engineers that spend all of their days making amazing things that Elon just takes credit for.
      - panick21_ 4y ago
        I'm sorry but working for Tesla and building electric vehicles is more useful and more moral then most other companies. No matter if you think the CEO is an ass. If people knew or cared all the dumb shit all other car CEO said in their live, or all the corruption they engage in with the Union bosses and the list of things goes on. Compare working at Tesla and working at Lockheed Martin for example. How can self respecting engineer work there? You are literally building bombs that illegally blow up US citizens (and weddings) around the world. So if 'CEO fired a some people who clearly were not on board with CEO management style' is the reason for a moral panic, there are a whole lot of places you can never work at. And that's fine, but lets be clear about that.
kube-system 4y ago
I occasionally do business with people who are probably assholes to other people. I don't do business with people who are assholes to their customers.
nr2x 4y ago
My big red flag is “self driving mode that may kill your family”.

Same, though there were about a dozen previous reasons, starting with "pedo guy". This won't help, but I was pretty much long gone as a customer.

by pkulak 4y ago

Same, though there were about a dozen previous reasons, starting with "pedo guy". This won't help, but I was pretty much long gone as a customer.

balls187 4y ago

Funny enough, it was test driving a Tesla that got me interested in getting an EV as my next vehicle. And like many, Musk's behavior has dissuaded me from purchasing one, and instead likely a Ford.

chrisseaton 4y ago
- spookie 4y ago
  > actual anti-semite Who? Current Ford's great-grandfather? Not the same person.
  - chrisseaton 4y ago
    > Not the same person. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Ford https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Ford
    - spookie 4y ago
      Henry Ford is dead.
      - chrisseaton 4y ago
        Says that in the article I linked you to.
        spookie 4y ago
        Yeah, but whoever's running the show for the past... 75 years, isn't antisemitic. His successors probably didn't align with such views, given that: 1. They're not the same person 2. Post WWII wouldn't be kind to those types
- neaden 4y ago
  Well he has also been dead for 75 years, so people are less concerned with his personal beliefs and actions.
  - balls187 4y ago
    Bill Burr speaks about this in his latest special, that Coco Chanel slept with nazi officers during WW2, and that she did what she felt she had to survive. He also goes on to talk about John Wayne and Sean Connery in equally deliteful manner.
- mikestew 4y ago
  One has been dead for about 75 years and has little influence over the day-to-day operations of their respective company. One is still running loose and still acting like a jackass.
- gs17 4y ago
  I think most people don't care about (whether out of time-induced apathy or unfortunate agreement) who Ford was much like how they don't care much about who founded VW or why. Coming from Detroit, it was always frustrating how whitewashed his history got.
- kps 4y ago
  Henry Ford II emphatically and substantively separated the company from his grandfather's lunacy.
- babypuncher 4y ago
  Henry Ford was a jerk, but he died decades before most of us here were even born. Buying a Ford today does nothing to further facilitate the gross things he did 90 years ago. The elongated muskrat is out there today being an ass; spreading misinformation during a pandemic, perpetuating racist behavior in its factories, and a growing list of sexual improprieties. I think it is fair for someone to not want to give money to someone like that.
nr2x 4y ago
The EV Mustang looks so dope. See a lot of them in SV.
pkulak 4y ago
I pre-ordered a Model 3 in 2016. Still have the charger I installed in my garage, but now I use the J1772 one I installed later.

ajconway 4y ago

Tesla is also thousands of brilliant engineers that transformed the industry, and not just one guy who tweets a lot.

timmytokyo 4y ago
In other words, Musk isn't doing his engineers any favors either.
izzydata 4y ago
Exactly, so they should do the only logical thing and vote out Elon as Tesla's CEO so he stops destroying whatever public image they have left. Elon doesn't "do" anything besides be a double edged hype machine.
- enragedcacti 4y ago
  It would be amazing if Tesla were a worker cooperative where that were possible. Trying to hold Elon to a standard in his companies gets you fired, not him: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-06-17/spacex-fires-employees-over-letter-critical-of-musk-s-behavior https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-06-17/spacex-fi...
  - izzydata 4y ago
    How can any self respecting individual work in such an environment? It's sad to know there are so many talented engineers that spend all of their days making amazing things that Elon just takes credit for.
    - panick21_ 4y ago
      I'm sorry but working for Tesla and building electric vehicles is more useful and more moral then most other companies. No matter if you think the CEO is an ass. If people knew or cared all the dumb shit all other car CEO said in their live, or all the corruption they engage in with the Union bosses and the list of things goes on. Compare working at Tesla and working at Lockheed Martin for example. How can self respecting engineer work there? You are literally building bombs that illegally blow up US citizens (and weddings) around the world. So if 'CEO fired a some people who clearly were not on board with CEO management style' is the reason for a moral panic, there are a whole lot of places you can never work at. And that's fine, but lets be clear about that.

kube-system 4y ago

I occasionally do business with people who are probably assholes to other people. I don't do business with people who are assholes to their customers.

nr2x 4y ago

My big red flag is “self driving mode that may kill your family”.