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I wondered that too. It'd be extremely unusual for Tesla to go as far as changing the badge. OTOH, a car dealer along the way might do that if they noticed the

by _ea1k 4y ago

I wondered that too. It'd be extremely unusual for Tesla to go as far as changing the badge. OTOH, a car dealer along the way might do that if they noticed the discrepancy between the badge and what the software reported. It'd be hard to blame them too, since people do sometimes downgrade the badging on cars (eg, this "218i", lol: https://carsandbids.com/auctions/Kmm4AgbK/2016-bmw-m2 https://carsandbids.com/auctions/Kmm4AgbK/2016-bmw-m2 ). It still leaves Tesla as the bad guy. The current owner bears no relation to the ones who did it, and there's really no reasonable process that could have allowed him to know that this might happen.

bgirard 4y ago
> It still leaves Tesla as the bad guy. I mostly agree. I think good customer service norms do dictate a reasonable statute of limitation here. I think where it becomes interesting is if someone acted negligently in the chain when they bought a P60 and sold it off as a P90. If someone wasn't paying too much attention, they might not have noticed at all. I for instance had no idea which engine variant my car had (1.5L vs 2.0L) until I realized my mpg was poor. So maybe it's a legit mistake. The changing of the physical badge is very suspicious however. But if Tesla changed the software badge then yes, I think they deserve the blame.
- _ea1k 4y ago
  Yeah, I think we are thinking similarly here. I've seen some cases where FSD was lost where it was absolutely dealer negligence. The bad thing is that Tesla sometimes takes a really long time with these "audits". Its hard when the customer only finds out what the dealer did after months of ownership.
Gunnerhead 4y ago
Mind explaining the 218i joke?
- clintonb 4y ago
  "M" is the highest trim level for BMW. 218i would be the lowest trim for the BMW 2 series. The owner is passing an M2 as a 218i.
- huffmsa 4y ago
  It's a top of the class M2 model with cartoonishly big wing, but has been badged as the bare bones entry level 218i model as a joke.

by _ea1k 4y ago

bgirard 4y ago

> It still leaves Tesla as the bad guy. I mostly agree. I think good customer service norms do dictate a reasonable statute of limitation here. I think where it becomes interesting is if someone acted negligently in the chain when they bought a P60 and sold it off as a P90. If someone wasn't paying too much attention, they might not have noticed at all. I for instance had no idea which engine variant my car had (1.5L vs 2.0L) until I realized my mpg was poor. So maybe it's a legit mistake. The changing of the physical badge is very suspicious however. But if Tesla changed the software badge then yes, I think they deserve the blame.

_ea1k 4y ago
Yeah, I think we are thinking similarly here. I've seen some cases where FSD was lost where it was absolutely dealer negligence. The bad thing is that Tesla sometimes takes a really long time with these "audits". Its hard when the customer only finds out what the dealer did after months of ownership.

Gunnerhead 4y ago

Mind explaining the 218i joke?

clintonb 4y ago
"M" is the highest trim level for BMW. 218i would be the lowest trim for the BMW 2 series. The owner is passing an M2 as a 218i.
huffmsa 4y ago
It's a top of the class M2 model with cartoonishly big wing, but has been badged as the bare bones entry level 218i model as a joke.