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> Seriously, even good old BIOS is susceptible to rootkits, there has been tons of them. Were there? I couldn't find anything, but then again Google is garbage
by iforgotpassword 4y ago
> Seriously, even good old BIOS is susceptible to rootkits, there has been tons of them.
Were there? I couldn't find anything, but then again Google is garbage nowadays if you want to find older stuff.
To my understanding, the limitations of the old BIOS world would've made it much harder to hack on it other than maybe enabling hidden menus.
The UEFI world is so much larger, more powerful and already offers plenty of abstractions and services. You can probably write a relatively portable rootkit that works across a plethora of different Mainboards and Chipsets. And then you come in and try to fix it with secure boot, and when secure boot isn't good enough anymore you add pluton and then what?
And what's your threat model anyways? "Professional Hackers" nowadays are in it for the money. Why would they want to custom tailor a rootkit for your BIOS? Why would they want to target you with a generic UEFI rootkit? Apparently, crypto ransomware is perfectly capable of infecting a user on windows with secure boot enabled. No need for a rootkit.
Who is going to be interested in rootkitting you besides a government backed hacking op? And in that case, I fully trust them to be able to get around any secure boot measures either with yet another exploit, or because they have access to the signing keys one way or the other.
- belthesar 4y agoA buddy of mine installed some crapware he downloaded off of a warez site back in the mid-2000's which reflashed his BIOS to a very hackers-esque bootsplash that prevented boot. Fortunately, he had a Gigabyte board which ran a dual-BIOS config, so he was one jumper change away from getting back to his system and cleaning stuff up. I'm not sure it was ever intended to do anything more than punish someone, but the capability of doing plenty even on that tiny ROM was there.
- hulitu 4y agoCompare that with having boot settings on a UEFI partition. Partition gone, boot not possible.
- userbinator 4y agobut the capability of doing plenty even on that tiny ROM was there. That sounds more like he just got the BIOS erased and replaced with something else entirely, rather than something intended to parasitically coexist. Also, for a while, they had write-protect jumpers.