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Your comment reads as incredibly tone-deaf, but I'll give it an honest answer. Hierarchy of needs. Maslow is obviously not accurate, but people focus on basic

Your comment reads as incredibly tone-deaf, but I'll give it an honest answer. Hierarchy of needs. Maslow is obviously not accurate, but people focus on basic survival and prioritize themselves and their families first. You do not even reach the level of contemplation of politics until you have food, shelter, comfort and a degree of safety. Most Americans struggle to satisfy all of these consistently. If you want more people to care about privacy, solve their basic needs first. Then they will care about big picture items.

maerF0x0 4y ago
fair enough, so your claim is essentially that people likely would, but are struggling to survive in the short run and therefore the long run is basically presumed to not matter?
- soco 4y ago
  It does matter, but first things first. If you struggle to breathe your first priority won't be finding food, but your entire energy will go into solving the most urgent problem.
  - maerF0x0 4y ago
    Yeah I get that, I guess for me I just see it like . Imagine some town with lots of manufacturing jobs and so many people are shopping at walmart for foreign made wares. How does it not click "If people dont buy local our local made wares, how will our factory stay open?" . I'm not saying so much like right right now, it's obviously too late in many industries to go back any time soon. But like in the 70s-90s, why didn't people working in these industries have the foresight to realize if we dont buy local made wares, there's no need for factory workers here, and if there's no need for factory workers here, there's no need for manager, and if there's no need for managers, the company could just be entirely in the foreign nation. And if if it's in the foreign nation, how are we going to get money to feed ourselves and pay our mortgages (keep the property values at least level) ... It seems like it was more like "Well I could have a TV now, or a TV + Microwave now" and that was the micro decisions that lead to a hollowing out of the labor force. I'm just armchair speculating here, happy to learn more in a concise way (ie doesnt require me to go get a degree on the subject) .
    - pwinnski 4y ago
      Humans almost always and almost everywhere in almost every context make the short-term choice with immediate consequence with very little concern for the long-term effect which is usually much more diffuse. Person A going out to buy a Chinese-made microwave from Walmart today isn't going to lead inexorably to decreased property values, but it is going to give Person A something in which to stick their microwavable popcorn tonight. In fact, many Person As have been buying Chinese-made microwaves from Walmart for many years now, and still property values are going up! Eventually, sure, enough people making those choices on a macro scale leads to factories closing close by, and if there's no corresponding rise in other industries, that will lead to negative economic consequences for the entire area. But that's a far off problem with a lot of uncertainty, and this popcorn isn't going to pop itself tonight! Of course, it is also true that Person A could go out of their way to shop at a local store and buy a microwave made by an American company, but that the American company decides that there's much more profit to be made by moving production overseas, and the negative economic consequences happen anyway. Not because of the short-sightedness of Person A, but the greed and short-sightedness of CEO B. That's even more reason for Person A to not be too worried about their individual purchase.

maerF0x0 4y ago

fair enough, so your claim is essentially that people likely would, but are struggling to survive in the short run and therefore the long run is basically presumed to not matter?

soco 4y ago
It does matter, but first things first. If you struggle to breathe your first priority won't be finding food, but your entire energy will go into solving the most urgent problem.
- maerF0x0 4y ago
  Yeah I get that, I guess for me I just see it like . Imagine some town with lots of manufacturing jobs and so many people are shopping at walmart for foreign made wares. How does it not click "If people dont buy local our local made wares, how will our factory stay open?" . I'm not saying so much like right right now, it's obviously too late in many industries to go back any time soon. But like in the 70s-90s, why didn't people working in these industries have the foresight to realize if we dont buy local made wares, there's no need for factory workers here, and if there's no need for factory workers here, there's no need for manager, and if there's no need for managers, the company could just be entirely in the foreign nation. And if if it's in the foreign nation, how are we going to get money to feed ourselves and pay our mortgages (keep the property values at least level) ... It seems like it was more like "Well I could have a TV now, or a TV + Microwave now" and that was the micro decisions that lead to a hollowing out of the labor force. I'm just armchair speculating here, happy to learn more in a concise way (ie doesnt require me to go get a degree on the subject) .
  - pwinnski 4y ago
    Humans almost always and almost everywhere in almost every context make the short-term choice with immediate consequence with very little concern for the long-term effect which is usually much more diffuse. Person A going out to buy a Chinese-made microwave from Walmart today isn't going to lead inexorably to decreased property values, but it is going to give Person A something in which to stick their microwavable popcorn tonight. In fact, many Person As have been buying Chinese-made microwaves from Walmart for many years now, and still property values are going up! Eventually, sure, enough people making those choices on a macro scale leads to factories closing close by, and if there's no corresponding rise in other industries, that will lead to negative economic consequences for the entire area. But that's a far off problem with a lot of uncertainty, and this popcorn isn't going to pop itself tonight! Of course, it is also true that Person A could go out of their way to shop at a local store and buy a microwave made by an American company, but that the American company decides that there's much more profit to be made by moving production overseas, and the negative economic consequences happen anyway. Not because of the short-sightedness of Person A, but the greed and short-sightedness of CEO B. That's even more reason for Person A to not be too worried about their individual purchase.