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Matt King: Forever Our Wizard

64 points by wallflower 4y ago

skyyler 4y ago
Omega Mart is very fun. Sad to see such a creative person go :(
mikkergp 4y ago
I went to house of eternal return in Santa Fe. Highly recommend, it's nice to see so much work go into something meant just for fun.
riebschlager 4y ago
If you're not familiar with Meow Wolf, you should definitely check out their Origin Story film: https://originstory.mw/ https://originstory.mw/ It's just such an inspiring story about a group of humans who absolutely poured every last drop of their souls into their work. Meow Wolf holds a really special place in my brain. I hope before I'm done I can make something 1/10th as cool as what they've created.
rhipitr 4y ago
Went to the Santa Fe Meow Wolf and it is jaw dropping amazing.
fieryskiff11 4y ago
closedloop129 4y ago
>Everyone needs to know how happy Matt was. Not always, but recently. People need to know what demons he held at bay. Real ones. We live in strange times when we can look into space with incredible resolution, but even artists don't have the tools to express the inner structures of their mind that makes them feel bad. It's strange that Chemistry could identify the structure of so many molecules without ever seeing them but we can't do the same with the structures of the mind. What are the obstacles that prevent us from reasoning about our mind structures like we reason about software?
- tempodox 4y ago
  It is incredibly hard to observe yourself observing yourself. Or objectively describe your subjectivity. It's a blind-spot problem.
  - closedloop129 4y ago
    We have built a telescope in space to kind of avoid blind spots. What can we build to avoid the blind spots for ourselves? I would expect some form of collaboration since others are not inhibited by our own blind spots.
- tux3 4y ago
  Software is made of human ideas molded into grammar, syntax, and abstractions. We know how to work with those at every level. The mind is made of and affected by proteins, enzymes, small molecules. Those form cells, and larger structures, but at every level it is exceptionally hard for us to work with those building blocks. There's no nice formulas or method that can tell you what a protein does, or how to design one that does what you want. It is as if every single token of the source code was encrypted, and it took great effort to translate anything, word by word, slowly and painstakingly. One thing we can do is take small bits of code, put them in thousands of slightly different live systems, and watch what happens. Clinical trials. That helps a lot, but it is still an uphill battle trying to understand the far future alien technology that is biology.
  - closedloop129 4y ago
    Do we have to understand the biological level? We don't talk about silicon when we talk about software. Art shows us the structure of the mind without the need of understanding its physical representation. Another way is spirituality where structures are called demons. We have some understanding of art, but it feels as limited as medieval alchemy. There must be a better way to approach our mind.
    - tux3 4y ago
      It depends what you want to get out of your study of the mind. Art can be a goal in and of itself. It, however, has historically contributed less to the success of medicine than furthering our understanding of biology. So, I have a pretty narrow, muleheaded interest in evidence-based beliefs that pay their rents in predictions about the world. Those I like, because they sometimes convert into useful medical interventions.
wly_cdgr 4y ago
OD?
- fermigier 4y ago
  Probably suicide, given the link at the end of the post (https://www.sprc.org/livedexperience/tool/resources-survivors-suicide-loss https://www.sprc.org/livedexperience/tool/resources-survivor...).
bmacho 4y ago
recommended listening while you watch: 20 secs demos please buy our songs
ChrisMarshallNY 4y ago
I had not heard of Meow Wolf, or Matt King, before this. Sounds mega-cool, and I'd like to visit these installations. I'm familiar with the type of person that Matt King was. Can be incredibly motivating to be around, but also, the intensity level is so high, it seems unsustainable. It does seem that the world is a slightly darker place, now.
- danielvaughn 4y ago
  I read the obituary before I realized that I had seen Meow Wolf before. There had been a TikTok video of someone opening up a dryer, crawling through it to this crazy psychedelic room. It blew my mind and I remember thinking, jesus christ whoever built this is on another level. I feel sad even though I never met the guy.

64 points by wallflower 4y ago

Omega Mart is very fun. Sad to see such a creative person go :(

I went to house of eternal return in Santa Fe. Highly recommend, it's nice to see so much work go into something meant just for fun.

riebschlager 4y ago

If you're not familiar with Meow Wolf, you should definitely check out their Origin Story film: https://originstory.mw/ https://originstory.mw/ It's just such an inspiring story about a group of humans who absolutely poured every last drop of their souls into their work. Meow Wolf holds a really special place in my brain. I hope before I'm done I can make something 1/10th as cool as what they've created.

rhipitr 4y ago

Went to the Santa Fe Meow Wolf and it is jaw dropping amazing.

fieryskiff11 4y ago

closedloop129 4y ago

>Everyone needs to know how happy Matt was. Not always, but recently. People need to know what demons he held at bay. Real ones. We live in strange times when we can look into space with incredible resolution, but even artists don't have the tools to express the inner structures of their mind that makes them feel bad. It's strange that Chemistry could identify the structure of so many molecules without ever seeing them but we can't do the same with the structures of the mind. What are the obstacles that prevent us from reasoning about our mind structures like we reason about software?

tempodox 4y ago
It is incredibly hard to observe yourself observing yourself. Or objectively describe your subjectivity. It's a blind-spot problem.
- closedloop129 4y ago
  We have built a telescope in space to kind of avoid blind spots. What can we build to avoid the blind spots for ourselves? I would expect some form of collaboration since others are not inhibited by our own blind spots.
tux3 4y ago
Software is made of human ideas molded into grammar, syntax, and abstractions. We know how to work with those at every level. The mind is made of and affected by proteins, enzymes, small molecules. Those form cells, and larger structures, but at every level it is exceptionally hard for us to work with those building blocks. There's no nice formulas or method that can tell you what a protein does, or how to design one that does what you want. It is as if every single token of the source code was encrypted, and it took great effort to translate anything, word by word, slowly and painstakingly. One thing we can do is take small bits of code, put them in thousands of slightly different live systems, and watch what happens. Clinical trials. That helps a lot, but it is still an uphill battle trying to understand the far future alien technology that is biology.
- closedloop129 4y ago
  Do we have to understand the biological level? We don't talk about silicon when we talk about software. Art shows us the structure of the mind without the need of understanding its physical representation. Another way is spirituality where structures are called demons. We have some understanding of art, but it feels as limited as medieval alchemy. There must be a better way to approach our mind.
  - tux3 4y ago
    It depends what you want to get out of your study of the mind. Art can be a goal in and of itself. It, however, has historically contributed less to the success of medicine than furthering our understanding of biology. So, I have a pretty narrow, muleheaded interest in evidence-based beliefs that pay their rents in predictions about the world. Those I like, because they sometimes convert into useful medical interventions.

wly_cdgr 4y ago

OD?

fermigier 4y ago
Probably suicide, given the link at the end of the post (https://www.sprc.org/livedexperience/tool/resources-survivors-suicide-loss https://www.sprc.org/livedexperience/tool/resources-survivor...).

bmacho 4y ago

recommended listening while you watch: 20 secs demos please buy our songs

ChrisMarshallNY 4y ago

I had not heard of Meow Wolf, or Matt King, before this. Sounds mega-cool, and I'd like to visit these installations. I'm familiar with the type of person that Matt King was. Can be incredibly motivating to be around, but also, the intensity level is so high, it seems unsustainable. It does seem that the world is a slightly darker place, now.

danielvaughn 4y ago
I read the obituary before I realized that I had seen Meow Wolf before. There had been a TikTok video of someone opening up a dryer, crawling through it to this crazy psychedelic room. It blew my mind and I remember thinking, jesus christ whoever built this is on another level. I feel sad even though I never met the guy.