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This is true, although I don't manage our ads. But the amount of articles from folks on a weekly basis where they broke some unspoken rule that got them banned

This is true, although I don't manage our ads. But the amount of articles from folks on a weekly basis where they broke some unspoken rule that got them banned with no recourse and any relationship point of contact ghosting them is unsettling. Unless these are actually all astroturfing stories by Microsoft and Amazon, I will stick to the companies who will actually speak to me if I have problems. They have internal communications, so my support ticket will actually reach other teams, and even working in a start up I can get conversations with finance and technical employees to get problems solved. Google can have the advertising dollars since they are the 80 ton gorilla, but I can't see how anyone can trust them with anything critical to the running of your business.

akimball 4y ago
That seems an unreasonable size for a gorilla. I would advocate vivisection for science in such a case.
KronisLV 4y ago
> Google can have the advertising dollars since they are the 80 ton gorilla, but I can't see how anyone can trust them with anything critical to the running of your business. Well that's my point - you might end up in a situation where you cannot use them for advertising and where you won't have many viable alternatives. And it seems like Google will just get away with automation like that, either due to manual support just not being possible at that scale, or for other reasoning of theirs, without mechanisms in place for you to bypass the automation and actually get a solution for your problem, unless you operate at a certain scale. Edit: closest alternatives that I found: - Microsoft Advertising: https://about.ads.microsoft.com/en-us/get-started/sign-up-with-microsoft-advertising - Amazon Ads: https://advertising.amazon.com/ - Facebook Ads: https://www.facebook.com/business/ads - LinkedIn Ads: https://business.linkedin.com/marketing-solutions/ads - Instagram Ads: https://business.instagram.com/advertising Though I'm curious about their respective market shares, say conversions per year as a percentage of all others put together.
- happymellon 4y ago
  Yes, and I was just implying that I will avoid them with anything where I have a viable alternative. That was all.

akimball 4y ago

That seems an unreasonable size for a gorilla. I would advocate vivisection for science in such a case.

KronisLV 4y ago

> Google can have the advertising dollars since they are the 80 ton gorilla, but I can't see how anyone can trust them with anything critical to the running of your business. Well that's my point - you might end up in a situation where you cannot use them for advertising and where you won't have many viable alternatives. And it seems like Google will just get away with automation like that, either due to manual support just not being possible at that scale, or for other reasoning of theirs, without mechanisms in place for you to bypass the automation and actually get a solution for your problem, unless you operate at a certain scale. Edit: closest alternatives that I found: - Microsoft Advertising: https://about.ads.microsoft.com/en-us/get-started/sign-up-with-microsoft-advertising - Amazon Ads: https://advertising.amazon.com/ - Facebook Ads: https://www.facebook.com/business/ads - LinkedIn Ads: https://business.linkedin.com/marketing-solutions/ads - Instagram Ads: https://business.instagram.com/advertising Though I'm curious about their respective market shares, say conversions per year as a percentage of all others put together.

happymellon 4y ago
Yes, and I was just implying that I will avoid them with anything where I have a viable alternative. That was all.